Lou Gehrig Cut Autograph---I really need help

[JimStinson]

Originally Posted by Donscards

---the seller has a large collection---I felt some were bad---wasnt sure on the Gehrig-

If you have a glass of clear cold water and you place a drop of urine in it you have a glass full of urine. NOT a glass of cold water with a little urine in in.

[travrosty]

it's really indicative of the problem of "cut" autographs. Not all are always bad, but they are cuts for a reason most of the time. If you see a cut, that should get your radar up first and foremost. They like to frame them with other nice pieces and elaborate frames to dazzle, but it's still a cut and proceed with caution. but this particular one does not look right.

[JimStinson]

Good point made above but lately I have even been offered Government postcards (with postmarks) and even personal checks , that are extremely well executed forgeries

[prewarsports]

There are legit Gehrig and Ruth cuts out there, I have had some that came out of Watermans autograph books (the kids were supposed to cut them off letters and paste them in) but in general cuts were pasted into books and there was a REASON they were cut! If you ever find a cut that looks Near Mint or there is no glue residue on the back etc., then be EXTRA cautious. Why would someone cut something and then keep it in mint condition and never glue it to a display or something? Answer...... they didn't.

Rhys

[travrosty]

forgers will buy common, old books and use the old paper for several cut opportunities from a few blank pages in one old book. and if they screw up, they haven't ruined anything of value, just a piece of an old piece of paper. so it is low cost, low risk, high reward.

[Wymers Auction]

Originally Posted by travrosty

forgers will buy common, old books and use the old paper for several cut opportunities from a few blank pages in one old book. and if they screw up, they haven't ruined anything of value, just a piece of an old piece of paper. so it is low cost, low risk, high reward.

I contacted an auction house not long ago about this same thing. They had tons of cuts from the same paper source. It was lined paper with a red line and it was pretty easy to tell it was the same. They had Cobb, Speaker, Ruth, Wagner, and many more. I asked them if they really think that someone got all of these on a single paper and then cut it all up and also they do not care what it brings when it sells. The cuts sold for almost nothing at all.

[travrosty]

the trick for them is to get one of these cuts past a major tpa. then you have a gold brick. i have seen ruth cuts to make one blush with a coa from abc, xyz, and qrs. help!

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by JimStinson

If you have a glass of clear cold water and you place a drop of urine in it you have a glass full of urine. NOT a glass of cold water with a little urine in in.

Jim, never heard this analogy, but it is incredible. Can I use it in my business practice??

[JimStinson]

Its cool I agree ! but in all fairness its a quote that I stole...I mean "Borrowed" from autograph dealer Bill Corcoran
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[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by JimStinson

If you have a glass of clear cold water and you place a drop of urine in it you have a glass full of urine. NOT a glass of cold water with a little urine in in.

I think it's a safe be that anyone with a large autograph collection has, over the years, unknowingly obtained a clunker or two. Are you saying you wouldn't bother looking at a collection that may happen to have a few bad ones in it?