Henry Reccius HONUS WAGNER card

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Bicem

Reccius actually went for a lot less than I thought it would ($21.4).

Apparently, Honus Wagner's rookie and Ozzie Smith's rookie are worth about the same. Makes sense.

I think the fact the Reccius has never been positively and empirically dated has hurt it's value. If an exact date gets discovered it's value will increase. Still a great card and fortunately, the way it's dated now, it falls a bit out of my collecting focus. (thank goodness as 21k still isn't too cheap)

[Preece1]

I also did quite a bit of research on the card date at the time Hal purchased the original find. I had passed back then because I was convinced in was issued after his days in Pittsburgh, not during his playing days in Louisville. Nothing I have seen has changed my mind. Still a great item!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Preece1

I also did quite a bit of research on the card date at the time Hal purchased the original find. I had passed back then because I was convinced in was issued after his days in Pittsburgh, not during his playing days in Louisville. Nothing I have seen has changed my mind. Still a great item!

Hey Patrick
Nice to see you around and hope you are well. Our thoughts are quite the same on this card. I was speaking with a very advanced collector, and board member, about this card last night. Same type sentiments were echoed.

[bcbgcbrcb]

"I know that a lot of research was done regarding the actual date of issue of this card. Can anyone fill me in on the latest?"

I posted the above question twice early on in this thread and no one had any opinion or even acknowledged the question (except one individual who referenced that info was available in the Net54 archives, of course, if I was able to find that info in the Net54 archives, I would not have asked the question). It seems that everyone has a lot of opinions now...........

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

"I know that a lot of research was done regarding the actual date of issue of this card. Can anyone fill me in on the latest?"

I posted the above question twice early on in this thread and no one had any opinion or even acknowledged the question (except one individual who referenced that info was available in the Net54 archives, of course, if I was able to find that info in the Net54 archives, I would not have asked the question). It seems that everyone has a lot of opinions now...........

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...hlight=reccius

[bcbgcbrcb]

Thanks, Peter, that was the info that I was looking for. I wanted to use it to determine whether or not to go after the card as a Rookie, that's why it was important during the auction, not now when it is already over. Luckily, it appears that I made the right choice on my own (besides the fact that I probably could not afford it anyway as who knows how high the winner was willing to go).

[buymycards]

The last post in the archived thread mentioned the telephone number. I looked at Wikipedia where it said that there were 3 million phones in the US in 1904, but I can't find any info in regard to the late or mid 1890's. Just the fact that the card contains a telephone number seems to be significant and I am leaning more toward early 1900's rather than the 1890's.

Rick

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by Leon

I think the fact the Reccius has never been positively and empirically dated has hurt it's value. If an exact date gets discovered it's value will increase. Still a great card and fortunately, the way it's dated now, it falls a bit out of my collecting focus. (thank goodness as 21k still isn't too cheap)

If the exact date is confirmed I think the value will go down. I'm pretty confident it's an early 20th century issue and not a rookie card. Still rare and neat, but not issued in 1897.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

If the exact date is confirmed I think the value will go down. I'm pretty confidant it's an early 20th century issue and not a rookie card. Still rare and neat, but not issued in 1897.

IMO it really depends on what exact date, if it is ascertained, it dates to. If it predates his E107, or is 1903, the value would increase. If it is later it will probably decrease....again, just my opinion and that's all it is. I don't have ESP.

[Baseball Rarities]

Trade cards seem to have phased out in the late 1890's.

I personally think that it is from 1897-99, but it would be nice to be able to definitively date it.

Another 1897 trade card example would be that of the Page Fence Giants. I do not remember seeing similar trade cards that were issued circa 1910. I think that they had been replaced by other mediums, such as postcards by then.

[terjung]

Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities

Trade cards seem to have phased out in the 1890's. I personally think that it is from 1897-99, but it would be nice to be able to definitively date it.

Would you consider Cobb / Cobb to be a trade card?

[barrysloate]

Wasn't the cigar box bearing the same image dated to around 1920? I would think the trade card and the cigar box would have some connection.

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Wasn't the cigar box bearing the same image dated to around 1920? I would think the trade card and the cigar box would have some connection.

AFAIK, it was for a completely different company and not associated with Reccius at all. Not uncommon for companies to use old images to advertise their products.

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by terjung

Would you consider Cobb / Cobb to be a trade card?

I guess, in theory, it could be viewed as a trade card, but i consider it a baseball card that took the place of the traditional trade card and served the same advertising purpose.

It is a good example of what i mean by the advertising mediums seemed to have changed from trade cards in the 1890's to others, such as postcards and, in this case, traditional baseball cards.