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06-14-2012, 06:55 AM
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No, Andrew. Mr. Gehrig would quietly shed a tear in private. He was a gentleman, he'd not confront ARod publicly.
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06-14-2012, 07:47 AM
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Gaylord Perry cheated his whole career and he's in the Hall of Fame.
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06-14-2012, 10:37 AM
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Rickey maybe?
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06-14-2012, 03:48 PM
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06-14-2012, 06:52 PM
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I'm not a fan of Arod, and also figured Manny would get to 23 Grand slams, before he completely fell apart.
But placing all the credit with PEDs does a bit disservice to the guys who were on base ahead of him. They were part of it too. (And will probably get no credit either except on some SABR guys file of interesting stuff.) A few things get overlooked in the PED discussions. Juiced pitcher facing juiced batter isn't a wash. The physics say different. More total energy=more distance. Much of the blame also must be placed with MLB and the comissioners office. At the time many of the players were doing PEDs it wasn't actually against the rules. And Baseball itself didn't have the guts to change it until things got cartoonish. (can we keep Popeye out of the comics HOF? sorry, couldn't resist  ) So while the use may have been illegal, it wasn't technically cheating. Wrong on many levels, but not against the rules.Steve B Contemplating where the home run record would be with Dave Kingman playing in Fenway or Playing in Fenway and on something......100? more?
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06-14-2012, 07:02 PM
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It's funny how if it wasn't cheating no one would cop to it.
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06-14-2012, 09:33 PM
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They wouldn't, because even if it was technically within the rules it was often if not always illegal. (Bonds stuff was maybe special and not known to the FDA and so probably legal until found out - I'm not sure about how they handle a new drug that hasn't been through the testing and approval stage)
Plus as we can easily see it doesn't get any acceptance publicly. And make no mistake, these guys are all highly paid performers just like musicians or actors, and for many teams a guy with issues isn't going to be around long. Personally I do feel what was done was wrong, and in many cases a bit sad as well. Assuming Bonds only used for a few years which seems likely from the stats He probably would have made it to the career HR record a couple years later. Instead he took a quicker path and ruined what had been a great career. Most of the big names were already great without the juice, and the quick route left them with bad reputations which will eventually cost many of them millions in endorsements etc as well as a delayed HOF selection if not simply never being elected. Other than that one summer of enjoyment watching McGwire and Sosa before it got really suspicious nobody has won in the end. Not the game,the players or the fans. And for that Baseball and especially Selig must take part ofthe blame. Steve B
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