Arod Ties Gehrig

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

From the 60's, when I started paying attention to baseball, through to the first few years of the 21st century, I thought that Gehrig's 23 was unassailable. Then I had a bit of doubt. ARod is a worthy successor.

Frank

I think that the only "un-assailable" record in the books is Joe DiMaggio's 56-game hitting streak.

The way the game is played nowadays, I do not see it ever being tied or surpassed.


TED Z

[drc]

ARod used steroids.

[esd10]

the record he set tonight is stained with steroids

[Jay Wolt]

Quite the feat

[Seiklis]

Thought Manny had it easy, but he broke down faster than I expected

Hats off to Arod

[irishdenny]

Although I am Not an ARod Hater...
Lou did it with the Babe in Front of Him!

However, Tieing Lou Gehrig under any conditions is still "BRILLIANT".

I Love this Game...

[Tomman1961]

Sorry. No "Hat's Off "to Alex Rodriguez. A user. He is a disgrace. This is why I collect pre-WW2 cards. As the years go by I get increasingly disenchanted with baseball of today. I could ramble on about Lou. CLASS. Him tying this record disgusts me.

[packs]

I'm on the who cares side of this. A-rod is a cheater. He should be ashamed of himself and so should any sports writer who mentions his name next to Gehrig's. Lou was a true champion who played with grace and determination. A-rod is a cheater without any respect for the history or tradition of the game that allows him to make a living. It would be like if some cheater broke Aaron's record. Oh, wait a second....

[yanks12025]

I can't believe how many of you are grumpy over this. I know a-rod cheated and I hate that he did, but it's still amazing to hit 23 grand slams. With the most home runs, I hate Barry Bonds. Also Gehrig is my favorite player!

Also to the user who said we should take stats away from the years they used, so do we take away wins from the teams because they may not have won from if it wasn't for their runs.

[Vegas-guy]

This thread makes laugh!! All you "haters"!!! did some people use "performance enhancing drugs" YES! Is it wrong YES! now that being said the players still have to be talented! Could they have done it without? Who knows??? And sure there are a great many players that did it all by the book. BUT how many of the other players (pre record keeping the way it is now) cheated in some way??? How is it so different from a pitcher scuffing, spitting or tampering with the ball? We all know it happened, and what about all the thing we dont know! Now maybe that's not a drug but it's still a way of trying to get an edge!

They were all part of a time in history and new things will happen in the future, take it for what it is and relax! Just enjoy the game..

Just my .02 cents..

[drc]

I disclose that I dislike both ARod and the Yankees. However, I would have similar sentiments for any player who used steroids . . . Unless the player was on my team. But that's a given. Those home runs ARod hit for the Mariners? Those were on the up and up. It was Arlington that made him turn bad.

(For those who don't realize, I live in Seattle. My jokes require context.)

[Splinte1941]

Fortunately for Gehrig, his record will stand in the eyes of common sense and fairness, and reality. He didn't need to take PED's to hit any of his 23 grand slams.

[dabigyankeeman]

Originally Posted by esd10

the record he set tonight is stained with steroids

While i am not as much against the steroid players as most people are, i do agree that setting a career record when you played many years on steroids makes it totally tainted.

To me, Gehrig has the "clean" record, and A-Rod has the "steroid era" record. Since they are both Yankees, we now own TWO records!!

[brookdodger55]

A Rod 23*

[barrysloate]

What about Fernando Tatis's record of two grand slams in one inning? To break it you would have to hit three.

[majordanby]

most if not all pitching records set in the pre war will not be touched simply because of how the game has evolved. unless we see old timey baseball make a comeback (which likely wont happen given the casual fan's predilections for the long ball), those records are nearly set in stone. now, post war pitching records - those are not unassailable. Ryan's K record is tough to beat - but, look at the top 10 in all time strikeouts - only one pre war pitcher (walter johnson). numbers 2 and 3 pitched as recently as 6 years ago.

[Brendan]

Originally Posted by drc

ARod used steroids.

So did all the pitchers from that era.

It seems much more likely to me that Dimaggio's record is broken than Ripken's or Young's. All it takes is a 57-game fluke and the record is broken. For the other two, it takes years upon years of consistent consecutive games or wins. Ripken's could probably be broken, but no way will Young's record be broken unless the entire way modern baseball is played changes.

[alanu]

Ripken also played in over 8,000 consecutive innings, although I'm not sure if they know if that's a record.

With Ryan's 5,714 K's, that's 300 for 19 years

I personally think it's more likely Dimaggio's hit streak will be broken than Ripken's consecutive game streak or Ryan's strikeout record.

[7nohitter]

A-Fraud should never be mentioned in the same breath as Gehrig....UNLESS the statement is something like: Lou Gehrig must be going nuts having to watch A-Fraud apply his purple lipstick."

You get the idea.

[Mikehealer]

Originally Posted by drc
ARod used steroids.

Originally Posted by Brendan

So did all the pitchers from that era.

Well that makes it ok then.

[esd10]

any player who used and admitted he used steroids should not be allowed (sorry) into the hof and acoplishments should not registered through that time they used.

[martyogelvie]

A-Rod matching Gehrig's 23 Grand Slams is a bit ho hum. I think anything ARod does is tarnished so its kind of like Bonds passing Aaron's all Time HR mark.. big deal.. It aggravates me a bit to even mention known juicers with Hall of Famers!!!

For what its worth, I think the ONLY unassailable mlb record is Cy Young's 511 wins. Think about it this way... A pitcher could win 20 games a year, 20 years in a row and he would still be 111 wins shy of Cy Young! CRAZY!

[alanu]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Frank

I think that the only "un-assailable" record in the books is Joe DiMaggio's 56-game hitting streak.

The way the game is played nowadays, I do not see it ever being tied or surpassed.


TED Z

I would add Nolan Ryan's 5 zillion strikeouts

[Jay Wolt]

Don't forget Cy Young's 511 wins.
Its hard enough for a pitcher to win 20 these days.
And if a pitcher won 20 games in 25 consecutive seasons, he'd still be 11 short

[Ronnie73]

Also don't forget Cal Ripken Jr.'s 2632 consecutive games. I believe all other records will be broken eventually but i don't see Cal's record ever being broken. There will always be better players hitting homeruns or getting strikeouts but to stay healthy and not miss any games for nearly your whole baseball career, 17 years, is just unlikely to happen again. Many players don't even play professional baseball long enough to even come close.

[markf31]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Frank

I think that the only "un-assailable" record in the books is Joe DiMaggio's 56-game hitting streak.

The way the game is played nowadays, I do not see it ever being tied or surpassed.


TED Z

Johnny Vander Meer's back-to-back No Hitters in 1938. To break that record, someone needs to throw 3 No Hitters. Talk about an-assailable!!

[bbcard1]

I am less bothered by the steroid era than some. It's just the way it was at that time. It was different before and it is different after. I completely understand if you wish to be outraged.

Here's one thing to ponder. After DiMaggio's 56 game streak was stopped by two great plays by Kenny Kelter, we rattled off another streak of 35 game or so. Let's say his hit streak would have been extended to 92. I would propose that had that happened we might see hit streaks in the mid-60s on a fairly regular basis.

[bigtrain]

As far as unbreakable records, I'll take 110 shutouts.

[scooter729]

I know things were different then, but if we're talking about Cy Young's 511 wins as untouchable, then Ol' Hoss Radbourn's 1884 season makes Cy's total look mundane.

A 59-12 record, 678 innings and 441 strikeouts - even for that era those numbers are insane!

For Facebook users, someone posts as Ol' Hoss, commenting on sports of today. Some of the posts are hysterical.
https://www.facebook.com/OldHossRadbourn

[esd10]

not every player used steroids in that era look at griffey jr and jeter and they are some of the greatest ever.

[markf31]

Originally Posted by scooter729

I know things were different then, but if we're talking about Cy Young's 511 wins as untouchable, then Ol' Hoss Radbourn's 1884 season makes Cy's total look mundane.

A 59-12 record, 678 innings and 441 strikeouts - even for that era those numbers are insane!

For Facebook users, someone posts as Ol' Hoss, commenting on sports of today. Some of the posts are hysterical.
https://www.facebook.com/OldHossRadbourn

Wonder what his pitch count limit was?

[oldjudge]

any player who used and admitted he used steroids should not be aloud into the hof and acoplishments should not registered through that time they used.

Any member who spells "allowed" "aloud" should not be permitted to post. LOL

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

any player who used and admitted he used steroids should not be aloud into the hof and acoplishments should not registered through that time they used.

Any member who spells "allowed" "aloud" should not be permitted to post. Lol

lmao!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Any member who spells "allowed" "aloud" should not be permitted to post. LOL

Then how am I supposed to modulate?

As far as Arod.....not a fan.

Cy Young's win record is the safest imo.......though 110 shutouts is right there too for the Big Train....