Heritage Auction problem

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by thekingofclout

Richard. I'm not making any accusations here! Jeez a child could see that I was trying to help you to get to the gist of what Jonathan wrote, as you seemed baffled by it.

And to answer your question: You have worked with him in some way shape or form = you have worked with him in some respects.

Alright now. Recess is for 20 minutes. THAT"S 20 MINUTES ONLY!

If Heritage auctions is going to level accusations like that in a public forum they better make it clearer then. Leaving it out there like that is sleazy, and lowers my opinion of the messenger even lower than it already was.

[thekingofclout]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

If Heritage auctions is going to level accusations like that in a public forum they better make it clearer then. Leaving it out there like that is sleazy, and lowers my opinion of the messenger even lower than it already was.

"Simon’s account, as well as several others’, was suspended for allegedly working in conjunction with a man known to the law enforcement world (and on this board and http://whitebetsy.wordpress.com/) as “The Cooperstown Forger.”

That's their words Dan, NOT mine.

It would be great if one of our resident attorneys could chime in regarding the use of the word "allegedly" and let us know just how much protection that offers the user in a situation like this?

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by thekingofclout

"Simon’s account, as well as several others’, was suspended for allegedly working in conjunction with a man known to the law enforcement world (and on this board and http://whitebetsy.wordpress.com/) as “The Cooperstown Forger.”

That's their words Dan, NOT mine.

It would be great if one of our resident attorneys could chime in regarding the use of the word "allegedly" and let us know just how much protection that offers the user in a situation like this?

"Allegedly" is a term used by news outfits to protect themselves from lawsuits. It's sleazy to drop that word here while making an accusation against someone. Either stand behind your accusation or don't make it. Is Heritage auctions in the business of dropping bidders from their rolls for "alleged" activity?

[Splinte1941]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

"Allegedly" is a term used by news outfits to protect themselves from lawsuits. It's sleazy to drop that word here while making an accusation against someone. Either stand behind your accusation or don't make it. Is Heritage auctions in the business of dropping bidders from their rolls for "alleged" activity?

And that children is what is referred to in common sense circles as BINGO.

[RichardSimon]

It was speculated to me a few days ago, by a hobbyist, allegedly (that word again) who the Cooperstown Forger might be. He did say there was no proof at all, just lots of speculation.
If that hobbyist is correct then I do know that person. But "allegedly working in conjunction" with him? That cleverly implies that I am working with him in forging activities, without Jonathan having to say that I am forging with him. That is probably near slander and very carefully couched in terms that can give them deniability. Nice work, Jonathan, be proud of yourself for a baseless near slander.
I would think and hope that nobody on this board would believe that I would work in conjunction with a forger in forging activities.
I have fought forgers for 20 years and many know that.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

"Allegedly" is a term used by news outfits to protect themselves from lawsuits. It's sleazy to drop that word here while making an accusation against someone. Either stand behind your accusation or don't make it. Is Heritage auctions in the business of dropping bidders from their rolls for "alleged" activity?

Obviously they are.

[thxforthebp]

The only information on the Cooperstown forger available at this point is this artist rendering.........

[BigJJ]

Cracking up

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by thxforthebp

The only information on the Cooperstown forger available at this point is this artist rendering.........

Holy smokes!!! DB Cooper!!!!

[Splinte1941]

If anyone had any real sack in this thread, and had information, they would out this Cooperstown Asshole and simply type "allegedly" somewhere in the sentence.

Why is the identity of this prick being protected? Obviously this felon holds enough cache in the business to scare people off. It's like the Memorabilia Mafia. What a god damned joke.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Splinte1941

If anyone had any real sack in this thread, and had information, they would out this Cooperstown Asshole and simply type "allegedly" somewhere in the sentence.

Why is the identity of this prick being protected? Obviously this piece of shit holds enough cache in the business to scare people off. It's like the Memorabilia Mafia. What a god damned joke.

According to what was told to me, nobody has any information, it is pure speculation. There is zero information out there to prove anything. It is not about cache in the business, it is that there is no information at all about who the forger is.
People are not scared, they lack facts or proof.

[Splinte1941]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

According to what was told to me, nobody has any information, it is pure speculation. There is zero information out there to prove anything. It is not about cache in the business, it is that there is no information at all about who the forger is.
People are not scared, they lack facts or proof.

I wasn't referring to you Richard, but someone here knows who this guy is.

Hell, the Cooperstown Forger may actually be one of us...

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Splinte1941

I wasn't referring to you Richard, but someone here knows who this guy is.

Hell, the Cooperstown Forger may actually be one of us...

Knows or speculates?
Two entirely different things.
Knows implies proof and facts.

[travrosty]

Heritage is so full of it. I didn't "harrass" anybody. what a crock. i simply told them they shouldn't be misrepresenting their auctions and lying about authentication on an item when there wasn't any.

When Ivy told me i was naive and didnt know how big auction houses work, i simply went to the top and emailed the head honcho at heritage, and just because it happened to be his daddy, they got their drawers twisted in a bunch and banned me. There was no "harrassment". I simply told the chairman what was going on and I said that where I come from, if you say something that isn't so it's called a lie. And that the sports dept. (I said sports dept. and didn't name names because I didn't want to make it into a personal thing) was telling customers that auction loa's existed when they didn't, and that it was a lie.

That's harrassment? baloney. They got caught doing something they shouldn't so they made sure someone had to pay for it. Why does Ivy always send someone else to speak for him? Can't he get on here himself and say what he wants to say?


I guess going to the top of the company and contacting them as a customer is only for when you have praise and gold stars to hand out? How are they going to get any better as an auction house if they don't hear from dissatisfied customers with concerns and grievances? And their way to handle grievances is to ban people I guess. Well, good for them.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Splinte1941

I wasn't referring to you Richard, but someone here knows who this guy is.

Hell, the Cooperstown Forger may actually be one of us...

Jake, there are a handful of people, including myself, who have been battling the sellers of forgeries for a very, very long time. There is a time to call someone out by name and a time to be careful. But one thing I can guarantee, is that none of us have ever been scared. The majority of collectors/people, have no idea what people like Richard Simon and myself have gone through to expose the bad guys. This is not meant to pat ourselves on the back, it is simply fact.

So please, do not use the word scared.

[BigJJ]

Originally Posted by Splinte1941

someone here knows who this guy is.

How do we know it's not a highly knowledgeable and crafty 19th century baseball memorabilia woman

[thekingofclout]

Originally Posted by Splinte1941

I wasn't referring to you Richard, but someone here knows who this guy is.

Hell, the Cooperstown Forger may actually be one of us...

Jake. Are you confessing?

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by thekingofclout

Jake. Are you confessing?

String 'em up .

[Splinte1941]

Originally Posted by thekingofclout

Jake. Are you confessing?

Dumb question, but who is the consignor of the items attributed to the Cooperstown Forger? They didn't magically appear on the doorstep of Mastro, so why isn't the FBI harassing this individual for information?

[Splinte1941]

Originally Posted by thekingofclout

Jake. Are you confessing?

[travrosty]

The whole banning someone because of an unnamed cooperstown forger is ridiculous. if allegations is all it took, anyone who knew this guy and that guy and the guy around the corner would be banned. Isn't there someone that works there that has allegations levied against them? Is everyone that knows that guy banned too?

It's just a cover story for the real reason people were banned. Because they had critiqued Heritage and criticized the way they were doing things and now people must pay.

I would love to know the name of the bidder who bid on my item and then didn't pay.