t206 "wet transfers": your current view

[Mikehealer]

Originally Posted by White Borders

Any thoughts on which color or brand of back tend to have the most transfers?
Best Regards,
Craig

I have nothing to corroborate this, but I have seen a lot of Tolstois.

[Abravefan11]

I agree with Mike that there are a lot of Tolstoi's. I would say:

1. Tolstoi
2. Sweet Caporal

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Mikehealer

I have nothing to corroborate this, but I have seen a lot of Tolstois.

The fact that there are so many Tolstoi back images on Tolstoi fronts, makes me believe that these are wet sheet transfers, and that some property of the ink used for the Tolstois causes them to be more susceptible to wet sheet transfers. The storage transfers that I have seen have also resulted in the cards sticking together. But the storage idea is yet another interesting theory based on ....

[mrvster]

All are basically right here.....your card is a "storage" transfer what i like to call it... Franks is a true wet sheet....


Definitely tols are the most common, you guys hit it on the head.....
each case needs to be reveiwed to get a "feel" or probability of pre/post factory...


You'll notice them more of course on the light back ground cards more frequently....

true wet sheets definitely add value inmo.....depends on how dramatic they are ....i think the real deep ones are super cool, and beleive it or not, pretty rare(the real pronounced ones) i have scans, and i'll try to post...


easiest to acquire- yellow background tols.....

harer...deep ink on darker backgrounds...


i think freaky wet stacked backs are real cool....i'll try to post some scans...




freaky deaky t206 are what i'm into so i'm a little biased here..

[tjb1952tjb]

What do you guys think my Owen Wilson is....a "wet sheet" transfer or a "storage" transfer. It has a fairly pronounced Old Mill transfer. It's actually much more visible in hand. Also, the card has an Old Mill back. Just wanted your opinions. Thanks.

[Exhibitman]

Please explain to me how the ink off the back of a T206 can 'storage transfer' to another card yet we can soak a T206 for hours to remove it from a scrapbook with no loss of ink. Why doesn't the water in the soak free up the ink as well?

My answer is that there is no thing as a 'storage transfer'; it is wishful thinking. The ghosts we are seeing are from the original printing process.

[mrvster]

Adam,

You are mostly right....the majority of the transfers are factory.....but a small percentage are actually damage in storage like Gregs.....

Greg, imho, yours is after factory....

Tim, yours is a perfect example of a true wet sheet transfer, nice one btw...

[tjb1952tjb]

Originally Posted by mrvster

Adam,

You are mostly right....the majority of the transfers are factory.....but a small percentage are actually damage in storage like Gregs.....

Greg, imho, yours is after factory....

Tim, yours is a perfect example of a true wet sheet transfer, nice one btw...

Thanks for the confirmation......appreciated.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Please explain to me how the ink off the back of a T206 can 'storage transfer' to another card yet we can soak a T206 for hours to remove it from a scrapbook with no loss of ink. Why doesn't the water in the soak free up the ink as well?

My answer is that there is no thing as a 'storage transfer'; it is wishful thinking. The ghosts we are seeing are from the original printing process.

Adam as usual you say it best...I was long winded...but my same points..

[mrvster]

Beauties!!!!!

WOW!!

[danmckee]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Please explain to me how the ink off the back of a T206 can 'storage transfer' to another card yet we can soak a T206 for hours to remove it from a scrapbook with no loss of ink. Why doesn't the water in the soak free up the ink as well?

My answer is that there is no thing as a 'storage transfer'; it is wishful thinking. The ghosts we are seeing are from the original printing process.

Correct Adam, I say no way, all are factory wet sheet.

As a known card soaker, NEVER has any of the ink been affected.

Also, having found and handled many raw collections over the years, never did a group have a bunch of transfers in it.

Factory only is my vote, I have about a half dozen of these, I will try to scan later.

[FrankWakefield]

You two ever soak a white border card in gasoline, or kerosene?


I'm not saying these cards were thus soaked.


You two don't carry white border cards unsleeved in your pants pockets. But kids 100 years ago did. When I was a kid I'd have gasoline on my hands, and pants, from time to time... easy for me to envision that stuff like that would have come in contact with cards back when the ink on them was a few months to a year old, instead of 100 years old. Besides, some of the transfers illogically match up to what would be a printing wet sheet transfer. I think we'll continue to perceive these differently.

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Please explain to me how the ink off the back of a T206 can 'storage transfer' to another card yet we can soak a T206 for hours to remove it from a scrapbook with no loss of ink. Why doesn't the water in the soak free up the ink as well?

My answer is that there is no thing as a 'storage transfer'; it is wishful thinking. The ghosts we are seeing are from the original printing process.

I tend to agree with this. Great thread, I love this subject- Tony, here's a Tolstoi I got from you awhile back (thanks again ).

Great cards everyone !!!

Sincerely, Clayton

[Pat R]

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[wonkaticket]

Tolstoi’s agree seem to be the most available, Old Mill and Sweet Cap are there too. I’ve had a few EPDG’s along with a few Piedmonts and Cycles. I’ve seen some Polar Bears too that look really cool in other folks collections.

For me I don’t think this is a storage thing. It just doesn’t make sense to me. If this ink under the right set of circumstances was so quick to bleed off onto the front of the cards. Then it would be safe to reason we would have just as many front images of players showing up on backs in rough outlines, as we do ghostly outlines of advertising brands on the fronts. Yet we don’t….

Heat, humidity etc. can do some crazy stuff to cards no doubt. However based upon personal experience I haven’t seen this storage transfer in my experience. I’ve been lucky enough over the years to find lots of t-cards including large finds of T206’s in all shapes and forms. I’ve pulled them from hot attics in the Deep South, trunks in basements, musty old barns to damp antique shops…ahhh those were the days. I spent a lot of time in my youth cherry picking cards for my collection and remember sorting through all sorts of stacks of cards. Occasionally you would find one or two like the above but for the most part it was an oddity.

If it’s happening from storage it must be a special set of just the right circumstances for this to occur. For me I’ve seen my fair share of different circumstances/conditions yet they never really yielded any large grouping of the above.

I think the more obvious is more likely the cause of these, stacked sheets fresh from printing at different stages of dampness in terms of the sheet coming off the press.

Just my two cents.

Cheers,

John