1990 Bowman Art Sweepstakes

[todeen]

Does anyone own any of the lithographs advertised on the bottom of my box?


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[todeen]

bump, still looking for info

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[JustinD]

I personally do not own any as it’s a little outside my window of collecting but I have seen them pop up fairly regularly.

They are 11”x 17” as I remember. Were you looking for a specific litho?

Adding the checklist, I figured TCDB would have it -

https://www.tcdb.com/Checklist.cfm/sid/402004

[JustinD]

Took a couple minutes to find one, this seems a little overpriced. I feel like these go in the 25-30 dollar window.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/33516347677...Bk9SR87Ej8jaYw

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by JustinD

Took a couple minutes to find one, this seems a little overpriced. I feel like these go in the 25-30 dollar window.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/33516347677...Bk9SR87Ej8jaYw

Artist Signed, how many are still trading on the open market. If anything that $50 may be too cheap as on offer to sell. I get the low demand part of this BTW

Rich

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

Artist Signed, how many are still trading on the open market. If anything that $50 may be too cheap

Rich

The issue is that they have zero demand.

Also, the usual junk wax issue of multiple runs of everything. They did 500 of the run advertised, which created 5500 prints. Then in true Topps fashion they created other “hobby sample” runs to water the initial run down by at least double.

You can find many for sale for hundreds, but you won’t find many sold over twenty bucks. At my estimate of 25-30, I was giving the listing a premium because it was in the initial run and I feel that is a better example to have.

Samples

https://www.ebay.com/itm/23550138661...Bk9SR-Dr16fbYw

https://www.ebay.com/itm/14512263693...Bk9SR-Dr16fbYw

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

If anything that $50 may be too cheap

Rich

I mean I don't know a meaningful difference between considering it too cheap and a bargain. Those mean the same thing.

[todeen]

Really love this conversation. I wish the checklist had been a bit more elite, though. No one I'm interested in is included. The artist prints are interesting. Thanks for everyone who chimed in.

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[Rich Klein]

Looking at the checklist. Topps picked 5 of the biggest names in the game at the time and Yount/Mitchell were included as MVPs, Saberhagen/Davis were included as Cy Young award winners and Olson/Walton were included as ROY's

And that's why the checklist has some non elite status as only Yount finished with a great career of those 6 players

We can discuss if they got the 5 biggest names going into the 1990 season correct but that was Topps logic as much as I can deduce. But looking at the other 5 I think with hindsight they had a pretty good clue as to whom they chose in that group.

Rich

[todeen]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

Looking at the checklist. Topps picked 7 of the biggest names in the game and Yount/Mitchell were included as MVPs, Saberhagen/Davis were included as Cy Young award winners and Olson/Walton were included as ROY's



And that's why the checklist has some non elite status as only Yount finished with a great career of those 6 players



We can discuss if they got the 5 biggest names going into the 1990 season correct but that was Topps logic as much as I can deduce. But looking at the other 5 I think with hindsight they had a pretty good clue as to whom they chose in that group.



Rich

I'm not disagreeing with the players, per se. I'm a Reds collector, and the Reds were left out. Eric Davis was absolutely a huge name by 1990, comparable to Bo Jackson. Chris Sabo had a monster year in 88, but got injured in 89... so I understand why he wasn't chosen. I also question leaving Griffey Jr out of this set, as he was a mega hype machine immediately. Will Clark & Kevin Mitchell represents the Giants, who were in the 89 World Series, but there are no Athletics (Canseco and McGwire), no Dodgers (Valenzuela, Gibson, Hersheiser). I'm sure the artist was commissioned before the 89 WS, but it just seems they are missing players who would drive sales. Not having two Giants players could have helped a lot.

Anyway, I still think the artists proof is a cool junk wax idea.

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[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by todeen

I'm not disagreeing with the players, per se. I'm a Reds collector, and the Reds were left out. Eric Davis was absolutely a huge name by 1990, comparable to Bo Jackson. Chris Sabo had a monster year in 88, but got injured in 89... so I understand why he wasn't chosen. I also question leaving Griffey Jr out of this set, as he was a mega hype machine immediately. Will Clark & Kevin Mitchell represents the Giants, who were in the 89 World Series, but there are no Athletics (Canseco and McGwire), no Dodgers (Valenzuela, Gibson, Hersheiser). I'm sure the artist was commissioned before the 89 WS, but it just seems they are missing players who would drive sales. Not having two Giants players could have helped a lot.

Anyway, I still think the artists proof is a cool junk wax idea.

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Bo had TV Commercials and was a far bigger name than Eric Davis, that one is not an issue to me

Could you have subbed someone for Dwwight Gooden or Don Mattingly? Probably but remember Topps was a NY based company and those were the key figures in baseball for NY and frankly for other parts of the country

As you pointed out Will Clark was considered by some at that time the best player in BB and had just played in a WS and Nolan Ryan became a legend in 1989

But, as I pointed out, Topps logic may not be the logic someone else used so your comments especially about Big Mac (remember Canseco was hurt and missed much of 89) is relevent. Griffey -- well yes in retrospect but he was not ROY and while we all thought he was going to be great, there were already 2 1989 rookies in an 11 card set

I will also point out that my verbiage there was quite clear that we can and should hve different feelings about who should have been in this set

[bnorth]

Would have loved to seen a Wade Boggs in there and Kirby Puckett was also huge then.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

Bo had TV Commercials and was a far bigger name than Eric Davis, that one is not an issue to me



Could you have subbed someone for Dwwight Gooden or Don Mattingly? Probably but remember Topps was a NY based company and those were the key figures in baseball for NY and frankly for other parts of the country



As you pointed out Will Clark was considered by some at that time the best player in BB and had just played in a WS and Nolan Ryan became a legend in 1989



But, as I pointed out, Topps logic may not be the logic someone else used so your comments especially about Big Mac (remember Canseco was hurt and missed much of 89) is relevent. Griffey -- well yes in retrospect but he was not ROY and while we all thought he was going to be great, there were already 2 1989 rookies in an 11 card set



I will also point out that my verbiage there was quite clear that we can and should hve different feelings about who should have been in this set

I forget that Topps is based in NYC. That makes sense. Eric Davis was tied to Nike by 1988. I know Bo Jackson was huge, but Eric Davis wasn't hiding, he was going after endorsement deals too. Anyway, I just want a Reds player in sets like these.

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