Question about T215 Type 1 and 2

[packs]

Is one type more rare than the other? I know that both types are rare to begin with, but is one series harder to find than the other? Does type one carry a premium over type 2? Or vice versa? Any idea how many of each card there might be out there? Thanks guys.

[edhans]

I have always thought of the type 1s as slightly more difficult. But since the cards are so scarce to begin with, the difference is almost imperceptible. I doubt it's much of a factor in the price.

[Kotton King]

I have heard that Type 1's are a bit more scarce. I have owned 4 total, and it's a 50/50 split (Type 1/Type 2) so far.

IMO Type 1's do carry a premium because some collectors consider them to be a T206 back. When I was working on my T206 backs set, I went for a type I as an included back. I thought it was necessary to pay a bit more to insure that I did get it.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by edhans

I have always thought of the type 1s as slightly more difficult. But since the cards are so scarce to begin with, the difference is almost imperceptible. I doubt it's much of a factor in the price.

My experiences are about the same. I have seen a few more type 2's but I think both are close. From what I have seen it's about 70% type 2's and 30% type 1's.......but again, I would guess they are fairly close in in population in reality. I have not seen too much of a premium paid for type 1's. Both are what I would consider scarce....I don't own the Griffith anymore

[packs]

Thanks for the input guys. I didn't know some see the backs as partial to the T206 set, but I can see why for Type 1's. Same font and color.

[calvindog]

FWIW, SGC and PSA have graded a total of 72 T215-1 and 112 T215-2 cards.

[packs]

Thanks for posting those pops. Do you happen to know if SGC keeps a record of crossovers?

[calvindog]

Nope

[uffda51]

FWIW, I've only got one (ungraded) and it's a Type II.

[cfc1909]

During the time I have collected Red Cross it seems type 1s are slightly tougher but not by much. They are both tough and probably equal in numbers.

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[Leon]

Originally Posted by cfc1909

During the time I have collected Red Cross it seems type 1s are slightly tougher but not by much. They are both tough and probably equal in numbers.

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Hey Jim
As mentioned above, the stats of the graded ones show about 65% type 2's and 35% type 1's. That coincides almost exactly with what my sightings mentioned above have been. I would conclude that there are a few more type 2's and type 1's. That being said both are very scarce compared to most other cards we collect. Happy collecting....

[cfc1909]

We both know that is what is graded and we both have raw in our collections but I do agree with you.

and yes happy collecting-I mean happy back collecting...

[CobbSpikedMe]

What do you guys think the rarity is of each player and therefore the difficulty of finding a specific player in the set?

While I'm always looking to cross of something on my Jersey City player checklist, I still need the T215 Pirate back of Purtell and IF I ever see it I'm hoping I'll be able to afford it at the time.

I was lucky enough to snag the Red Cross back of the same in an SGC 10 holder about a year ago and couldn't believe my luck.

[cfc1909]

The t215 Pirate is much more tough than the Red Cross but still possible and probably at least 10k maybe 25k plus

[smtjoy]

One thing I noticed is the Type 1's seem to have much more back damage than they type 2's.

[CobbSpikedMe]

Originally Posted by cfc1909

The t215 Pirate is much more tough than the Red Cross but still possible and probably at least 10k maybe 25k plus

Thanks Jim, hopefully I will see it twice then, once to let me know it exists and then a second time much much later when I'll be able to afford it.

Do you think there are general a few copies of popular players and maybe 1 - 2 copies of players like Purtell? Am I basically hoping to get a unique card some day?

Regards,

AndyH