OMG PSA slabs blatantly altered Tiger Woods rookie, then it passes ebay program

[Peter_Spaeth]

So much for the ebay authenticity program being meaningful, if it doesn't even look at or for obvious altered cards. This card has no perforations it is as obvious a hack job as has ever existed. Look at the top edge lol. BUT the holder isn't tampered, hallelujah.

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[G1911]

PSA is a joke, but it doesn’t really matter. Most will continue to use them no matter how many thousands of problems there are because it’s not really about being competent or correct, it’s about making money by any means.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

PSA is a joke, but it doesn’t really matter. Most will continue to use them no matter how many thousands of problems there are because it’s not really about being competent or correct, it’s about making money by any means.

The authenticity guarantee program isn't much better, if its scope doesn't even include flagging something this blatant. This is not a close call or a matter of interpretation, it's a complete eff up.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The authenticity guarantee program isn't much better, if its scope doesn't even include flagging something this blatant. This is not a close call or a matter of interpretation, it's a complete eff up.

The authenticity program works at its purpose: making money. It is not for PSA to actually admit they’ve wrongly graded thousands and thousands of items. That’s why they’re “authenticating” the slab, so they don’t have to actually do anything and can just get a cut on the card again.

[mrreality68]

Wow. Does not work.
I am shocked
Wow.In for the money
I am shocked

Reality nothing with them shocks me

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

Wow. Does not work.
I am shocked
Wow.In for the money
I am shocked

Reality nothing with them shocks me

With so many new graders I am sure this just got by one who didn't know the issue which is a bit unusual in that it's got perforations from being separated from a sheet. Still. And an "authenticity guarantee" that covers nothing more than the holder itself is IMO fairly meaningless.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by G1911

The authenticity program works at its purpose: making money. It is not for PSA to actually admit they’ve wrongly graded thousands and thousands of items. That’s why they’re “authenticating” the slab, so they don’t have to actually do anything and can just get a cut on the card again.

It’s my understanding that this is correct. They are looking to make sure that the slab is authentic and unaltered, and not really looking at the card at all. Mark my words, slabbed slabs are coming!

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

So much for the ebay authenticity program being meaningful, if it doesn't even look at or for obvious altered cards. This card has no perforations it is as obvious a hack job as has ever existed. Look at the top edge lol. BUT the holder isn't tampered, hallelujah.

This is a little like complaining that the guy you hired to paint your house didn't also reupholster your couch. Ebay isn't judging the authenticity of the card, just that the holder itself isn't tampered with.

Of course, you already know this but for some reason you're complaining about Ebay here - who is performing a service for free - instead of PSA, who are the ones who actually screwed up AND charged for it.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Tabe

This is a little like complaining that the guy you hired to paint your house didn't also reupholster your couch. Ebay isn't judging the authenticity of the card, just that the holder itself isn't tampered with.

Of course, you already know this but for some reason you're complaining about Ebay here - who is performing a service for free - instead of PSA, who are the ones who actually screwed up AND charged for it.

eBay isn’t judging anything. PSA inspects the PSA slab to authenticate the slab while ignoring the card itself. What a useful ‘service’ being provided.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by G1911

eBay isn’t judging anything. PSA inspects the PSA slab to authenticate the slab while ignoring the card itself. What a useful ‘service’ being provided.

Ok, so it's PSA don't the inspection. Distinction without a difference. OP is still complaining about the wrong thing.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Tabe

Ok, so it's PSA don't the inspection. Distinction without a difference. OP is still complaining about the wrong thing.

The complaint against PSA here goes without saying, I was making an additional point. But fine, yes obviously PSA effed this up badly in the first place.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Tabe

Ok, so it's PSA don't the inspection. Distinction without a difference. OP is still complaining about the wrong thing.

As the OP was factually correct and you were factually wrong, it seems your complaint was the one “about the wrong thing”. You might not agree with the complaint, but it’s at least valid and not “about the wrong thing”.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Here's another casualty of the program. Someone I know had several cards he shipped to the authenticator disappear after reaching the Santa Ana post office. He was told a very large bin of cards intended for PSA or whatever pseudonym they use for their address as authenticator was stolen. So that means lots of buyers didn't get their cards at all.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by G1911

As the OP was factually correct and you were factually wrong, it seems your complaint was the one “about the wrong thing”. You might not agree with the complaint, but it’s at least valid and not “about the wrong thing”.

Sigh.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by G1911

As the OP was factually correct and you were factually wrong, it seems your complaint was the one “about the wrong thing”. You might not agree with the complaint, but it’s at least valid and not “about the wrong thing”.

And yet, in the post right above your reply, OP agreed with me as factually correct about his post. Go figure.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Tabe

This is a little like complaining that the guy you hired to paint your house didn't also reupholster your couch. Ebay isn't judging the authenticity of the card, just that the holder itself isn't tampered with.

Of course, you already know this but for some reason you're complaining about Ebay here - who is performing a service for free - instead of PSA, who are the ones who actually screwed up AND charged for it.

If ypu collect PSA graded cards you need to blame it on eBay, bad eBay.

I have never understood the hate for a FREE eBay program that helps people.

[ullmandds]

this is all PSA imo...not ebay.

[JustinD]

In agreement that this one falls on PSA for 80% as I think that eBay is likely to always fall on the side of the grader so they don't create a back and forth with grading companies. I also think if they are too scared to question the grading for legal reasons, packaging should be very clearly labeled on all documentation that the card is not observed and we have only certified that the slab is untampered, that to me is the other 20%.

The other even more annoying problem to me is the sellers language:

"1996 S.I For Kids Tiger Woods Series 3 #536 Mint 9 and has already been Authenticated by PSA and Ebay which is Ebay's new policy. They work with PSA and several other graders on guaranteed certification before your card is shipped"

Everything this clown said is bulls**t. Ebay/CSG did not authenticate the card and that stupid package means jack. They also do not work with the other grading companies in any way to certify a graded card. I doubt they would even walk over to the other room to talk to a CSG grader if a CSG slab comes in. My fear was people would start using this program as an actual grading program and it should not be.

[Peter_Spaeth]

This is what someone sees unless they read the fine print. Deceptive IMO.

Authenticity Guarantee
This item is verified by an authenticator before delivery

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by JustinD

In agreement that this one falls on PSA for 80% as I think that eBay is likely to always fall on the side of the grader so they don't create a back and forth with grading companies. I also think if they are too scared to question the grading for legal reasons, packaging should be very clearly labeled on all documentation that the card is not observed and we have only certified that the slab is untampered, that to me is the other 20%.

The other even more annoying problem to me is the sellers language:

"1996 S.I For Kids Tiger Woods Series 3 #536 Mint 9 and has already been Authenticated by PSA and Ebay which is Ebay's new policy. They work with PSA and several other graders on guaranteed certification before your card is shipped"

Everything this clown said is bulls**t. Ebay/CSG did not authenticate the card and that stupid package means jack. They also do not work with the other grading companies in any way to certify a graded card. I doubt they would even walk over to the other room to talk to a CSG grader if a CSG slab comes in. My fear was people would start using this program as an actual grading program and it should not be.

After I wrote him he changed it to this. Not much better.
Ebay co-ordinates with PSA and several other graders on authenication before your card is shipped.

More importantly, he claims it came off the sheet like this. RIGHT.

[Bcwcardz]

Excuse me if this has been asked. Would this card pass through the authentication program if it was sold raw like that? I don’t think so but if the Gods blessed it then it must be so, I guess.


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[G1911]

Originally Posted by Bcwcardz

Excuse me if this has been asked. Would this card pass through the authentication program if it was sold raw like that? I don’t think so but if the Gods blessed it then it must be so, I guess.


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I would hope CSG would notice it’s obviously cut down and reject it in the raw program where they ostensibly look at the actual card. I don’t feel like I’ve seen enough to guess if they are even more or less likely than PSA to certify obvious frauds.