Brent Huigens - PWCC. Do you really want to keep this game up? I'm ready boss.

[PhillipAbbott79]

Originally Posted by aloondilana

Cortney is not a bad guy at all, in fact I would put his integrity up against anyone. I've read this thread and don't completely get it all, but I do know Cortney is a stand up guy. Not sure why the thread was removed or edited, but I'd be willing to bet that if Cortney wrote it, he's got all his backup information.

Amazing how this hobby seems to create more enemies than friends, what happened with Cortney and Brent over That WWG Dimaggio was just an aweful situation, surely it created some bad blood between two good friends at the time.

Lastly, I just wanted to say that Cortney does not drink alcohol, not a chance he was posting after some wine coolers as someone mentioned.

Maybe Cortney and Brent should see a therapist together

Weren't you involved in a card flipping incident also?

[aloondilana]

Card flipping incident? No, I won a card on Goldin Auctions, you are free to check the record.

I then consigned it to Brent.

You know the rest of the story.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by aloondilana

Cortney is not a bad guy at all, in fact I would put his integrity up against anyone.

You must have missed the homophobic comments that he decided to delete after having them up for about 15 minutes.

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

oh...now I get it Pete...thx...I'm off coffee...have had a bad cold for a week now...its obviously effecting me!!!

It must be affecting you too.

[quinnsryche]

Somebody had one too many wine coolers last night.... [/QUOTE]

Do they still make wine coolers? I LOVED those about 30 years ago!

PS - What the HELL is this thread about, for us not in the inner circle?

[autograf]

I heard ZIMA is coming back........

[Leon]

Originally Posted by quinnsryche

Somebody had one too many wine coolers last night....

Do they still make wine coolers? I LOVED those about 30 years ago!

PS - What the HELL is this thread about, for us not in the inner circle?

sorry it's a secret double secret ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3LzJzQ3wj4


.

[quinnsryche]

Yea! for Zima. Crap! for double secret probation. I hate when that happens.

[aloondilana]

Speaking of our beloved card, hmmm.... Check out the POP Report guys
The card has been removed.
I find it very hard to believe the winner of the card from PWCC
just sent it into PSA and asked to remove the card from the holder.
So who really won this card?
That's the question of the day.

Seems to me I should be reimbursed the commission I paid on this.

[orly57]

Originally Posted by aloondilana

Speaking of our beloved card, hmmm.... Check out the POP Report guys
The card has been removed.
I find it very hard to believe the winner of the card from PWCC
just sent it into PSA and asked to remove the card from the holder.
So who really won this card?
That's the question of the day.

Seems to me I should be reimbursed the commission I paid on this.

This deserves its own thread John. Seriously. Start one. That is INSANE. Whoever bought that card wanted it to disappear, and PSA was more than happy to oblige. This is bigger news than the original discovery in my opinion.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by orly57

This deserves its own thread John. Seriously. Start one. That is INSANE. Whoever bought that card wanted it to disappear, and PSA was more than happy to oblige. This is bigger news than the original discovery in my opinion.

And the beat goes on.
Yeah the beat goes on.

[BeanTown]

Originally Posted by orly57

This deserves its own thread John. Seriously. Start one. That is INSANE. Whoever bought that card wanted it to disappear, and PSA was more than happy to oblige. This is bigger news than the original discovery in my opinion.

+1

[rsn1661]

Zima, the clear one, not the gold one.

[Beastmode]

Wow. Courtney's panties are certainly in a bunch. After multiple "time-outs" in the corner of his mom's house, he's still fired up. The tone of his post screams "I'm a xxcking nut job".

Brent needs a restraining order against this mental head case. He's lost it.

[MVSNYC]

How about Zima with grenadine? Very 1995.

[packs]

Oh wow almost makes me wish I was 21 in 95.

[BengoughingForAwhile]

"Cortney's not a bad guy at all." "Cortney's an effing nut job."

I don't know who or what to believe anymore.

Somebody grab me another Bartles and Jaymes please!!!

[ullmandds]

you guys are a riot...wine coolers!!! we used to buy the 2 liter bottles of sun country in high school...before I developed a taste for beer! never did zima.

[iowadoc77]

Unfortunate Zima incident in high school. Bad going in. Bad coming out. Bad. Bad. Bad.

[Rookiemonster]

He seems more like a mad dog 20/20 to me. It probably rolled up in a brown paper bag .

[irv]

Originally Posted by aloondilana

Speaking of our beloved card, hmmm.... Check out the POP Report guys
The card has been removed.
I find it very hard to believe the winner of the card from PWCC
just sent it into PSA and asked to remove the card from the holder.
So who really won this card?
That's the question of the day.

Seems to me I should be reimbursed the commission I paid on this.

As the plot thickens!! Anyone have any idea/theories what is going on here?

Like what was said above, it is very hard to believe the winner would send this in to have the card removed,,,,,,,,,well, a real winner anyways.

[JeremyW]

Back in high school, a buddy & I sent a stranger into the grocery store to buy $10. worth of wine coolers & the guy came out with two gallons of wine. What can you do when you're 15?

[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by rsn1661

Zima, the clear one, not the gold one.

I think the gold one was Tequiza. Good times!

[orly57]

The only reason anyone would drop over 50k for that hideous card IS THE SLAB!!! Then it disappears from the psa population. That is the cherry on top, and a fantastic coverup to this whole sordid mess.

[Brent Huigens]

Originally Posted by aloondilana

Speaking of our beloved card, hmmm.... Check out the POP Report guys
The card has been removed.
I find it very hard to believe the winner of the card from PWCC
just sent it into PSA and asked to remove the card from the holder.
So who really won this card?
That's the question of the day.

Seems to me I should be reimbursed the commission I paid on this.

After long deliberation with PWCC, PSA decided to remove the card from the registry due to concerns raised by the hobby about the restoration. PWCC has contacted the buyer and offered to accept a return for a full refund. The card is still in the possession of the buyer, and because it is his property at the moment, it is up to him whether he wants to return the card.

John, please feel free to reach out to Brent directly should you have questions about how to handle your consignment fees from this sale.

Betsy Huigens
PWCC Auctions, LLC

[irv]

Originally Posted by orly57

The only reason anyone would drop over 50k for that hideous card IS THE SLAB!!! Then it disappears from the psa population. That is the cherry on top, and a fantastic cover up to this whole sordid mess.

I alluded to that fact that PWCC wasn't the only one involved with that Dimaggio card. Everyone questioned the grade and wondered how it got such a high one?!?!?

I think, right about now, there is more than one party who wishes all this would just disappear.

[Bigshot69]

The only clear winner here is Bartles and James.

[iowadoc77]

Originally Posted by Bigshot69

The only clear winner here is Bartles and James.

And the makers of Zima!

[PhillipAbbott79]

Originally Posted by Brent Huigens

After long deliberation with PWCC, PSA decided to remove the card from the registry due to concerns raised by the hobby about the restoration. PWCC has contacted the buyer and offered to accept a return for a full refund. The card is still in the possession of the buyer, and because it is his property at the moment, it is up to him whether he wants to return the card.

John, please feel free to reach out to Brent directly should you have questions about how to handle your consignment fees from this sale.

Betsy Huigens
PWCC Auctions, LLC

I find it interesting that you didn't make a statement regarding it until now, not that you needed to, but why wouldn't you, to let everyone know it has been resolved in good faith.

What would be interesting to hear you say is, yes we did modify the card, we did sell it and are sorry, and we will not be doing this again in the future, it was a mistake.

But then, if you did that, you wouldn't be able to do it again and get caught right?

Additionally, I would question how it was removed. PSA now has a hard in a holder, that exists, that is real, but is not in the registry and there is an underlying problem with the card, that no one can tell unless they know the cert and call them up to inquire?

This seems like rush to handle. If I am not mistaken, this is far from PSA's policy on how card disputes are handled. Per the other Ebay guy who had the PSA 6 Cobb, they require the card in hand to examine it. This to me means, there is a lot of pressure to go outside of normal policy to clean this up.

[Batpig]

What a mess. I wonder if PSA is footing the bill for this fiasco.

[mark evans]

Cortney (who I don't know) should make his point or points clearly and concisely, not with obfuscation and innuendo. Otherwise, he's just wasting everyone's time.

If the dispute pertains to the DiMaggio card, it appears that this thread may finally be getting to the meat of the coconut.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Brent Huigens

After long deliberation with PWCC, PSA decided to remove the card from the registry due to concerns raised by the hobby about the restoration. PWCC has contacted the buyer and offered to accept a return for a full refund. The card is still in the possession of the buyer, and because it is his property at the moment, it is up to him whether he wants to return the card.

John, please feel free to reach out to Brent directly should you have questions about how to handle your consignment fees from this sale.

Betsy Huigens
PWCC Auctions, LLC

I thought PSA returned the card to PWCC during the auction after it was sent in for expedited review and despite having been informed about the problem, said it stood by the grade. Or so you said before.

"We did indeed engage PSA to verify the accuracy of their assessment on this 1936 WWG DiMaggio. As we strongly believed, the card is graded accurately and this was re-confirmed by PSA prior the auction sale."

The stories are not consistent IMO.

[Brent Huigens]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I thought PSA returned the card to PWCC during the auction after it was sent in for expedited review and despite having been informed about the problem, said it stood by the grade. Or so you said before.

"We did indeed engage PSA to verify the accuracy of their assessment on this 1936 WWG DiMaggio. As we strongly believed, the card is graded accurately and this was re-confirmed by PSA prior the auction sale."

The stories are not consistent IMO.

Peter, yes indeed they did. Just last week they decided to remove the item from the registry. It appears that they reconsidered the grade post sale. In light of this, the buyer has been given the opportunity to return the card.

Betsy

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Brent Huigens

Peter, yes indeed they did. Just last week they decided to remove the item from the registry. It appears that they reconsidered the grade post sale. In light of this, the buyer has been given the opportunity to return the card.

Betsy

They removed the card without it in hand? That makes no sense to me. And why did this even come up again as an issue, if they vetted the card during the auction? And why were they deliberating with you, as opposed to internally? If I were PSA I wouldn't care what you thought frankly, and besides they already knew your opinion.

[irv]

LOL. This just gets better by the minute!

[TobaccoKing4]

[CrackaJackKid]

PWCC...you guys are doing more harm than help to the hobby. All the shenanigans when this is just a hobby to so many people. So much manipulation,fraud and decievement I really hope in 10 years your a thing of the past. But people will say, "oh but PWCC gets some of the nicest looking cards from consignors, probably cause you guys have every card doctor/soaker on speed dial. I have not nor will I ever purchase a card from PWCC. I'm done...WHEW!!!..I feel better.

[ZiggerZagger]

Well now I'm eagerly glued to the PSA POP Report on the T206 Wagner -- it'll probably only be a matter of hours before the butchered McNall-Gretzky Wagner is finally pulled!!

It's a brave new world!

Originally Posted by Brent Huigens

Peter, yes indeed they did. Just last week they decided to remove the item from the registry. It appears that they reconsidered the grade post sale. In light of this, the buyer has been given the opportunity to return the card.

Betsy

[irv]

Originally Posted by ziggerzagger

well now i'm eagerly glued to the psa pop report on the t206 wagner -- it'll probably only be a matter of hours before the butchered mcnall-gretzky wagner is finally pulled!!

it's a brave new world! :d:d:d

lmao! :d

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by ZiggerZagger

Well now I'm eagerly glued to the PSA POP Report on the T206 Wagner -- it'll probably only be a matter of hours before the butchered McNall-Gretzky Wagner is finally pulled!!

It's a brave new world!

Good point, and that card unlike the WWG DiMaggio actually has an admission from the culprit that it was indeed hand cut from a sheet.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Good point, and that card unlike the WWG DiMaggio actually has an admission from the culprit that it was indeed hand cut from a sheet.

Brent who bought the card in a 4 acknowledged the work was done to turn it into a 7.

[PhillipAbbott79]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

They removed the card without it in hand? That makes no sense to me. And why did this even come up again as an issue, if they vetted the card during the auction? And why were they deliberating with you, as opposed to internally? If I were PSA I wouldn't care what you thought frankly, and besides they already knew your opinion.

I will attest to the fact that PSA requires the item back, so they can prosecute and press charges, when they know who is responsible. This is clearly against their policies when dealing with others.

I concur, this is making zero sense at all.

[PhillipAbbott79]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Brent who bought the card in a 4 acknowledged the work was done to turn it into a 7.

He just hasn't admitted it was him, unless I am mistaken.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by PhillipAbbott79

He just hasn't admitted it was him, unless I am mistaken.

I also must have missed the post where he said he had the work done.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by PhillipAbbott79

He just hasn't admitted it was him, unless I am mistaken.

He bought it as a 4, and HE consigned it as a 7. And he obviously knew what had been done as he characterized it to Sean as minor minor. Ya think he didn't have it done?

[PhillipAbbott79]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

He bought it as a 4, and HE sold it as a 7. Ya think he didn't have it done?

That can certainly be implied, but what you don't know is if he also sold it as a 4, before selling it again as a 7.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by PhillipAbbott79

He just hasn't admitted it was him, unless I am mistaken.

Welcome to spin planet.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by PhillipAbbott79

That can certainly be implied, but what you don't know is if he also sold it as a 4, before selling it again as a 7.

I know he didn't. Offline conversations.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by aloondilana

Card flipping incident? No, I won a card on Goldin Auctions, you are free to check the record.

I then consigned it to Brent.

You know the rest of the story.

And he made some good money on it..at least what most of us would consider good money........and maybe gets the commission back too..? the rich get richer.

I know if i consigned a card that PSA removed from the registry, i would give the money back to the buyer if the buyer wanted their money back since they bought a card that was supposed to be a certain grade and that grade is removed.

No reason to attack me for the post, but the sale is what it is....its not like i am making this up..

[Whodunit]

Good eye John. Ive been watching the pop report every since the card sold for this day and this post. The part about the Dimaggio 7 being "no more" was part of my attempt to post last night. Pretty hard gut check when someone you trust blatantly lies to you (and me) for personal gain. Losing money on the card was ok; being lied to was not. And, now we have to listen to Brent and/or Betsy lie about it more as the coverup continues.