Another fake 52T Mantle on ebay

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by rjackson44

Jesse the card is a fake a scam why even bother

I really just wanted to see what he would have to say. I sent a total of 3 emails in about 5 minutes. I had not seen this thread at that point but even if I had I still might have messaged him to see how he would react.

[rjackson44]

Jesse he's a scammer

[rjackson44]

I sent him a nasty one never heard from him

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by rjackson44

Jesse the card is a fake a scam why even bother

Exactly.

By the way the damn card (er, photoshopped image) is still up there, despite a multiple front effort to get it taken down including PSA. WTF is wrong with ebay.

[rjackson44]

Peter this will never end its sad

[BulletBob]

Originally Posted by biohazard

I am one collector who appreciates those who point out fakes and the reasons the cards are/look off. Not that I am in the market for a 52 Mantle but I do appreciate the education. I am sure there are others. Like the campaign says "If you see something, say something."

I would just like to point out how much I agree with this post. I've been a member for a few months and have only been a "lurker" until now, but the education has been amazing. I am by no means in the market for the more expensive cards but I do feel smarter knowing what to look for in a fake. For those who are new to vintage cards, the posts pointing out the various fake cards on ebay are amazingly helpful.

[Stampsfan]

+1

As a relative newbie to this Forum (but not the Sports Collectibles hobby), I sincerely appreciate any knowledge on these cards that people are willing to share. I also find it interesting how people do interact with these scammers, and what the reactions are. I don't know everything about everything, and I like to learn from everyone's experiences.

What I do find tiring about this site is the back and forth between members who seem to worry about how another member spends his time. For example, more than half of this thread is useless banter, less that half is valuable information. I am on this site (wasting my time? ) to get valuable information, not to read about someone telling someone else they are an idiot for spending time doing something. Quit trying to convince everyone how smart you are.

Please keep up the valuable posts, and anyone, please feel free to point out a fake or scam on eBay. There are many of us who truly want to know the information regarding the hobby they enjoy.

[rjackson44]

Bob well said but the card is a fake and hes a scam artist ,its a crime welcome to the board octavio

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by rjackson44

Peter this will never end its sad

30K and going strong.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by rjackson44

Jesse he's a scammer

I assumed as much and my suspicions were quickly confirmed. 30k with 2 days left. Hopefully whoever wins this auction realizes this is a scam before the money is sent. Although I don't really feel too bad for anyone who would sent that much money without verifying the card's authenticity and that the seller actually has it first.

Is there any cap on the ebay or paypal guarantee?

[chernieto]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I I don't really feel too bad for anyone who would sent that much money without verifying the card's authenticity and that the seller actually has it first.

Not even in the holiday season ?
Cold.

[pokerplyr80]

Lol well I would hope that anyone who can afford to spend 30k + on a fake baseball card, or even a real one, would have enough left over to buy the kids a few Christmas gifts.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Looks like someone bid 35 and he ended it. Good luck, buyer.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/281861829918...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

[Peter_Spaeth]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-TOPPS-M...kAAOSwHQ9WV8z2

[gregr2]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-TOPPS-M...kAAOSwHQ9WV8z2

Well at least it's not a "REPAINT".

[rjackson44]

You dont really think someone paid for this garbage 🙈🙈🙈

[Peter_Spaeth]

Any takers?

[pokerplyr80]

Same seller different name on that one? The card looks very similar as does the wording on the listing. I won't be making any offers out of curiosity on this one but it's already at 20k. I wonder if the winning bidder is actually going to send the money.

[Peter_Spaeth]

It's amazing people do not take the time to learn to spot an obvious fake. Some are of course better than others but not this one.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's amazing people do not take the time to learn to spot an obvious fake. Some are of course better than others but not this one.

if see a fake one in a new psa holder that would be news..if that happens id like to know

[Topps206]

What constitutes a fake Mantle?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Here is the latest fake being offered yet again. Weird. Different account but obviously same seller. Ebay is wonderful.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-M...EAAOSwnH1WWxg7

[Bestdj777]

Originally Posted by Topps206

What constitutes a fake Mantle?

One that isn't real.

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by Bestdj777

One that isn't real.

That's to be implied, but I can spot a fake T206. I might not be able to spot a fake Mantle. Sometimes I can tell a reprint but not always.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Variations A and B each should have some idiosyncracies that the reprints often don't have. Do a google search for how to spot a counterfeit Mantle.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Topps206

What constitutes a fake Mantle?

An interesting question in that I think the real risk to collectors will be when the people creating these fake Mantles in real or real looking PSA cases start actually using real 52 Mantle cards. Nice looking altered Mantles that can be bought for around 10k in a real PSA 6 or 7 case could go for a lot of money. What happens when one is good enough to fool a major auction house? Or a top ebay seller like PWCC or Probstein?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

An interesting question in that I think the real risk to collectors will be when the people creating these fake Mantles in real or real looking PSA cases start actually using real 52 Mantle cards. Nice looking altered Mantles that can be bought for around 10k in a real PSA 6 or 7 case could go for a lot of money. What happens when one is good enough to fool a major auction house? Or a top ebay seller like PWCC or Probstein?

If I were one of thems I would insist on a new style holder.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If I were one of thems I would insist on a new style holder.

That, or an agreement that an item be sent to PSA for verification and a new holder before payment. It may get to the point where that's necessary even if buying from a major AH. Or the AH will have to do it before listing the card.

[Peter_Spaeth]

This one is very close although the flip lettering doesn't quite line up on the left hand side. Once again, that message in the same font about reserving the right to end early.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-M...8AAOSwAKxWXQqa

Ebay pic, and then the real one from 03 Mastro.

[Peter_Spaeth]

If you don't want his Mantle, you can opt for this flashlight, which oddly enough is in California not Philadelphia with the Mantle.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ultrafire-XM...4AAOSwcBhWWMx6

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

This one is very close although the flip lettering doesn't quite line up on the left hand side. Once again, that message in the same font about reserving the right to end early.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-M...8AAOSwAKxWXQqa

Ebay pic, and then the real one from 03 Mastro.

Ending an auction early if the price is met in an auction? That should be against ebay rules. And this guy is a perfect feedback and longtime ebayer. What is going on? Are these seemingly great ebayers scammers, being fooled, etc...?

[Peter_Spaeth]

The fraudster may be buying IDs is my speculation. They probably bid on a few cheap items to build up some recent feedback, note that they have none as a seller here, it's all from more than a year ago.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The fraudster may be buying IDs is my speculation. They probably bid on a few cheap items to build up some recent feedback, note that they have none as a seller here, it's all from more than a year ago.

Got it....their most recent feedback is over 1 yr old. And their ebay name kind of fits what they are doing......

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...edbackAsSeller


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[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The fraudster may be buying IDs is my speculation. They probably bid on a few cheap items to build up some recent feedback, note that they have none as a seller here, it's all from more than a year ago.

show me this fake mantle in a new holder and that would be news....incidentally the two mantles could look the same..i realize its a fake for obvious reasons but sometimes scans are of different sizes and colors aren't the same even with the exact card when taken with two different kinds of scanners..settings could be different on scanner..... again I know this card is fake but just because a card looks a little different color or as spot doesn't who well on one pictures versus another doesn't mean its not the same card..

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

show me this fake mantle in a new holder and that would be news....incidentally the two mantles could look the same..i realize its a fake for obvious reasons but sometimes scans are of different sizes and colors aren't the same even with the exact card when taken with two different kinds of scanners..settings could be different on scanner..... again I know this card is fake but just because a card looks a little different color or as spot doesn't who well on one pictures versus another doesn't mean its not the same card..

Yes that is true, but if you read my post, I called attention to differences in the flips, not the cards. They don't align the same way. I suppose someone could have reholdered a card and gotten a newer generation flip, but that seems pretty unlikely here.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Leon

Ending an auction early if the price is met in an auction? That should be against ebay rules. And this guy is a perfect feedback and longtime ebayer. What is going on? Are these seemingly great ebayers scammers, being fooled, etc...?

if theres an active bid and an item is taken off..ebay makes you pay a 10% fee in most cases on the highest bid..so at 21,000 would cost $2,000 to remove it in theory...

of course if the bank account that was linked to paypal is now closed ebay will have to send collection letters etc ...im sure ebay losses to fraud is factored into their fees

[jfkheat]

Jeff from Card Country just posted the following message on another forum.
James

Looks like another scam/stolen scan brewing. This time it's a 52 mantle Psa 7 Item # 281871977620 I contacted him and asked him for a history of the card and for some hobby references. In his first response he only gave me his cell number and didn't address my questions. When I asked a 2nd time, here's his response: I bought it in 2010 from PSA auctions. for $34100. I request a deposit as a gift to my paypal for $5000 and i will ship the card to you to check it. After you are sure its authentic, you can send me the rest of the money still as a gift so i won't be forced to pay feeds. Beware! Jeff

[Peter_Spaeth]

Seller has ended it, most likely found a victim who will pay offline.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by jfkheat

Jeff from Card Country just posted the following message on another forum.
James

Looks like another scam/stolen scan brewing. This time it's a 52 mantle Psa 7 Item # 281871977620 I contacted him and asked him for a history of the card and for some hobby references. In his first response he only gave me his cell number and didn't address my questions. When I asked a 2nd time, here's his response: I bought it in 2010 from PSA auctions. for $34100. I request a deposit as a gift to my paypal for $5000 and i will ship the card to you to check it. After you are sure its authentic, you can send me the rest of the money still as a gift so i won't be forced to pay feeds. Beware! Jeff

so funny that seller worried about paying fees....yeah that's enough to convince me to gift him money..he should have at least said send 3% more if not a gift..people trying to get 'steal's would choose the gift

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by jfkheat

Jeff from Card Country just posted the following message on another forum.
James

Looks like another scam/stolen scan brewing. This time it's a 52 mantle Psa 7 Item # 281871977620 I contacted him and asked him for a history of the card and for some hobby references. In his first response he only gave me his cell number and didn't address my questions. When I asked a 2nd time, here's his response: I bought it in 2010 from PSA auctions. for $34100. I request a deposit as a gift to my paypal for $5000 and i will ship the card to you to check it. After you are sure its authentic, you can send me the rest of the money still as a gift so i won't be forced to pay feeds. Beware! Jeff

which forum?

[pawpawdiv9]

I like the one with the 56 Mickey PSA 9..and the seller copied/lifted the sale from Probstein (pic and description) and a CU board member swore he had that card beside him.

[jfkheat]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

which forum?

Collector's Universe
James

[Peter_Spaeth]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-M...0AAOSwHQ9WX4tt

Could just be a new flip. But again, the left side of the holder doesn't look so great, the ID has the telltale signs and once again the seller reserves the right to sell if his price is met. Hmmm....

[Peter_Spaeth]

LOL I thought the cert looked familiar. From a prior fake.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I think the card is real but the scan is stolen from a PWCC auction. And the back does not match the front.

[ullmandds]

do you guys think this bowman is legit?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1951-Bowman-...EAAOSwnipWYxob

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

do you guys think this bowman is legit?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1951-Bowman-...EAAOSwnipWYxob

It looks fine to me. The seller has other high end cards for sale. I'd say this one is safe.

[Peter_Spaeth]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-M...gAAOSwp5JWZ0x8

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-M...gAAOSwp5JWZ0x8

Strange how they use the same wording in the listing. I guess they don't want these auctions to run their course. I wonder if people are actually stupid enough to just wire money or send paypal FF in hopes of a bargain.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Strange how they use the same wording in the listing. I guess they don't want these auctions to run their course. I wonder if people are actually stupid enough to just wire money or send paypal FF in hopes of a bargain.

I wish I understood how they hijack these accounts.