PWCC green cobb psa 5.5 going through the roof

[1952boyntoncollector]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-11-T206...4AAOSw9mFWMm5z

bidding over $14,000 which has to be way over SMR... when I had two PSA 4s nicely centered Green cobbs..all I would hear about is SMR this and SMR that....

the waterfront properties really taking off...!

[calvindog]

I'd be more impressed if any of the last ten bids came from bidders who didn't bid in PWCC auctions 50 to 100 percent of the time. His auctions are just filled with shill bids and any price he gets on a card is suspect.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I'd be more impressed if any of the last ten bids came from bidders who didn't bid in PWCC auctions 50 to 100 percent of the time. His auctions are just filled with shill bids and any price he gets on a card is suspect.

eh he is selling a 450k mantle..he not exactly fly by night...I probably bid 50% of the time on his auctions because private sellers tend to shill and all the of sudden the auction is 'canceled' heck even on a net54 reverse auction a old mill cobb just disappeared......not sure why someone would shill over $8,000..it already breaking new ground..14k blows it off the roof yet you brining up shilling? funny ..go bid on your own card 300% more than the what was perceived present market value and win it back and pay 8-10% to win your own card back...in this case would be over $1000... no way shilling is involved in the winning bids for the card.....if you think otherwise then basically every AH and every other ebay suspect is suspect....BIN's are suspect .. .everything is suspect...just pay what you want for the card and don't pay a penny more and everything will work out...later

[calvindog]

There's shill bidding all over his auctions. When the top five bidders only bid in his auctions it's fairly obvious. Just because you pay what you want for a card doesn't lessen the fraud or make it right. Similarly, writing with ellipses instead of using correct punctuation doesn't make your points more cogent.

[calvindog]

And even if the auction was legit, isn't the great likelihood that the reason for the high price is because a card doctor thinks the card will make its way into a PSA 8 holder?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by calvindog

And even if the auction was legit, isn't the great likelihood that the reason for the high price is because a card doctor thinks the card will make its way into a PSA 8 holder?

writing without ellipses doesn't make what you say any better as well...

so if its not shilling its card doctoring? so no sales are legit basically

[jcmtiger]

Maybe I should put this one up for sale

Joe

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by calvindog

And even if the auction was legit, isn't the great likelihood that the reason for the high price is because a card doctor thinks the card will make its way into a PSA 8 holder?

What's a card doctor???

[Mikehealer]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Similarly, writing with ellipses instead of using correct punctuation doesn't make your points more cogent.

Indeed!

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by calvindog

There's shill bidding all over his auctions. When the top five bidders only bid in his auctions it's fairly obvious. Just because you pay what you want for a card doesn't lessen the fraud or make it right. Similarly, writing with ellipses instead of using correct punctuation doesn't make your points more cogent.

I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but why would anyone shill a card that is already that high over any reported sale? VCP record is about 8k for a PSA 5.5 and less than 14k for a 6. I think even if someone were shilling this to start I think they would have let it run it's course a few thousand dollars ago.

The card is perfectly centered and the color looks great. Maybe that's why it is getting bid up so high.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but why would anyone shill a card that is already that high over any reported sale? VCP record is about 8k for a PSA 5.5 and less than 14k for a 6. I think even if someone were shilling this to start I think they would have let it run it's course a few thousand dollars ago.

The card is perfectly centered and the color looks great. Maybe that's why it is getting bid up so high.

right the OP doesn't think that it is possible that the card can get bid up for its own merit...its a waterfront property type of card..the POP really thins out at PSA 5 and higher.....that's my argument as to why the card is being bid up....but Im an idiot to think its not being shilled...

we can give facts about what the last sales were and that its blowing them out of the water and would make no sense for it to be shilled....and talk intelligently....so far I have been provided very useful counterarguments if that entails name calling.....ill all for discussing intelligently the pros and cons.....

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but why would anyone shill a card that is already that high over any reported sale? VCP record is about 8k for a PSA 5.5 and less than 14k for a 6. I think even if someone were shilling this to start I think they would have let it run it's course a few thousand dollars ago.

The card is perfectly centered and the color looks great. Maybe that's why it is getting bid up so high.

+1 there. Centering is increasing in importance due to its effect on eye appeal at an astonishing rate, plus its awfully hard from the scan to see why the card didn't grade at least ExMt. Time will prove its value, and not to much of the former at that.

Best to all,

Larry

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by calvindog

There's shill bidding all over his auctions. When the top five bidders only bid in his auctions it's fairly obvious. Just because you pay what you want for a card doesn't lessen the fraud or make it right. Similarly, writing with ellipses instead of using correct punctuation doesn't make your points more cogent.

Always love Jeff's input, saying exactly what he thinks. I don't know about shill bidding in the PWCC auctions, but that's where I recently got my '39 V351 Ted Williams rookie for less than half of my max bid, so PWCC certainly doesn't see the max bids.

May collecting bring you joy and keep you safe from the triple sss's out there (scammers, schemers and skunks),

Larry

[vintagehofrookies]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I'd be more impressed if any of the last ten bids came from bidders who didn't bid in PWCC auctions 50 to 100 percent of the time. His auctions are just filled with shill bids and any price he gets on a card is suspect.

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[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by vintagehofrookies

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i know i have bought items at heritage (before the sales tax in my state came into effect) and sold for 2x more at PWCC and i didn't shill.... so every sale is not suspecti

[vintagehofrookies]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

i know i have bought items at heritage (before the sales tax in my state came into effect) and sold for 2x more at PWCC and i didn't shill.... so every sale is not suspecti

your right not every auction is, just the majority, where most of the bidders are at 50% or more bid activity with him

[vintagehofrookies]

also what I dont understand ,for example, is how this (basically) exact same card is at $100 more for pwcc auctions than the other seller's:

PWCC

other seller