Poll: Is this Cobb legit, or is it a "rotten peach"?

[smotan_02]

That is just it. Donovan has not openly deceived anyone. He has been completely open and honest. A deceptive person would have carried on with the sale. You take his lack of posting as deception and tell him he must "prove his innocence" What?! Give me a break. Like most of us the guy has a job, he doesnt have time to ask how high when you say jump. It's his cut, if he wants to burn it, frame it, make an airplane out of it, roll it into a cigar and smoke it, then that is his business. You want to hold your breath and stomp your feet because he wont send it to someone that he doesnt know and let alone know their motives. You poll was right, way to go, high five each other, the auto is a fake. Let it go. You guys can have your autos, this is too sad for me.

[RichardSimon]

So you think that he "found" this cut among a group of Goudey cards at an estate sale? That the amazing forger just dropped it in there? That there is the impression of a pen on the back of the autographed paper?
I am not sure what the answer is to these questions. I am trying to find out what the answers are. I am trying to find out if deception is involved. It can all be easily cleared up by Don. I realize if he does not want to do it, that is his right, but we then have the right to think what we want to think.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by smotan_02

That is just it. Donovan has not openly deceived anyone. He has been completely open and honest. A deceptive person would have carried on with the sale. You take his lack of posting as deception and tell him he must "prove his innocence" What?! Give me a break. Like most of us the guy has a job, he doesnt have time to ask how high when you say jump. It's his cut, if he wants to burn it, frame it, make an airplane out of it, roll it into a cigar and smoke it, then that is his business. You want to hold your breath and stomp your feet because he wont send it to someone that he doesnt know and let alone know their motives. You poll was right, way to go, high five each other, the auto is a fake. Let it go. You guys can have your autos, this is too sad for me.

It is obvious to most that he is not being forthright about the autograph.

He wouldn't be defensive about it and fight tooth and nail if he was a victim and had the opportunity to have it checked out for free by one of the hobby's long time respected authenticators in Mr. Simon.

He had no problem sending it through the mail to psa, the same company that made the wrong call initially about the autograph, but won't send it for a second opinion to someone who didn't get it wrong?

No one is saying he can't do with it what he wants. Obviously he can.

What we are questioning is his motives for hiding it from the hobby and being so quick to destroy something that you can't get back once it's gone that could help the hobby in the autograph forgery education department.

Let's learn from it. let's find out if it is really a hand drawn forgery, or if it is a printed scan. PSA has a vested interest in it being one way or the other. An authenticator like Richard does not have any skin in the game. We simply don't believe PSA, and we have a hard time believing Donavon's motivation for wanting to burn it.

He's not caught behind enemy lines in WWII with secret codes and needs to eat them. To say that the autograph could get lost in the mail or that someone might pass away is ridiculous. We ain't buying it.

Smotan, I assume you believe PSA's assessment that someone can have the ability and the steadiest hand in the world to exactly copy another autograph with no discernable differences to the human eye? Is that what you believe? Because we don't believe it. And if it is a computer printed copy, then PSA shouldn't be able to get away with saying that they didn't get fooled by a printed copy and that is why Donavon seems to be complicit in the plan to make sure no separate third party can verify the computer printed autograph.

[smotan_02]

Originally Posted by travrosty

Smotan, I assume you believe PSA's assessment that someone can have the ability and the steadiest hand in the world to exactly copy another autograph with no discernable differences to the human eye? Is that what you believe? Because we don't believe it. And if it is a computer printed copy, then PSA shouldn't be able to get away with saying that they didn't get fooled by a printed copy and that is why Donavon seems to be complicit in the plan to make sure no separate third party can verify the computer printed autograph.

I believe one fact in the autograph industry. Every single assessment of an unwitnessed autograph is an opinion.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by smotan_02

I believe one fact in the autograph industry. Every single assessment of an unwitnessed autograph is an opinion.

You are right, but I would like to render my opinion on this widely discussed item and I am not being allowed to.
Yes, I know Smo,,, it is his cut and he can do with it what he wants. But the people who have expressed an opinion here, yourself excepted, seem to think that I should be allowed to see it.
So far the only opinion we have here is one that has a decided self interest and though my opinion about that particular entity is known here, I feel that most people here would trust my opinion if I were allowed to get my hands on that cut autograph.
I promise I won't die or allow it to be stolen when it is in my hands .

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by smotan_02

I believe one fact in the autograph industry. Every single assessment of an unwitnessed autograph is an opinion.

Let me tell you something, the fact that an autograph has an in person, witnessed COA does not necessarily mean anything either.

[smotan_02]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Let me tell you something, the fact that an autograph has an in person, witnessed COA does not necessarily mean anything either.

Not what I said...but get your point. So to slim down my point.

"Every assessment of an autograph is an opinion"

[RichardSimon]

I was referring to in person COA's issued by a company where the autograph was not really witnessed.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by smotan_02

Not what I said...but get your point. So to slim down my point.

"Every assessment of an autograph is an opinion"

but psa's opinion is ludicrous, no one can freehand an exact copy of an autograph like that, can't happen, not possible, show me how to do it.

it could be their opinion that a dog did it, but not all opinions are credible or even possible. The autographs aren't just close, they are exact.

You still haven't told me if you believe psa's opinion. do you?

[smotan_02]

Originally Posted by travrosty

You still haven't told me if you believe psa's opinion. do you?

As much as I believe your opinion. I showed the auto to my dog, he wagged his tail. I believe his opinion too.