Ty cobb autograph cut - psa/dna 9 mint

[Donavon]

Originally Posted by travrosty

Donovan,

funny how they can tell an exact copy was in a forgers hand and not cobbs?

wonder what the tell tale signals were? if it was the exact same form as the original, how do they know cobb didnt sign it?

must be a thorough forger to add those several stray dots in the same spots as was shown in ron's example.

my view.

I don't suppose we can get specifics from psa on how they came to the conclusion it was a forgery when they couldn't tell the first time. What tipped them off this time?

I am not badgering you Donovan, I am badgering PSA because this doesn't sound right to me.

If you arent doing anything with it, could you mark it forgery on the back, and loan it to me for a week so i can see it? i would be very interested in checking it out.

again, you sent it to psa, and you got your response from them, so i have nothing against you.

travis

Travis,

I do not know what their tell tale signals were. I was fooled myself, as the cut had indentation on the back of the paper, showing someone had written it. As for the print dots, I have no idea either. Mr. Keurajian's also had a couple others that mine did not, so that wasn't definitive for me either. The cut will be destroyed via flame as soon as it is returned. It will not be allowed to once again find itself in the marketplace under any circumstances. I will say this.....I believe that there was more than just PSA staff re-evaluating this cut. So.....as for me sending it......that's a big NO GO. I do not want this fake surviving in any way, shape, or form.

P.S.- It does make me wonder though, how a forgery found it's way in books from the 30's & 40's that contained authentic Goudey cards within it's pages as well.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by Donavon

Travis,

I do not know what their tell tale signals were. I was fooled myself, as the cut had indentation on the back of the paper, showing someone had written it. As for the print dots, I have no idea either. Mr. Keurajian's also had a couple others that mine did not, so that wasn't definitive for me either. The cut will be destroyed via flame as soon as it is returned. It will not be allowed to once again find itself in the marketplace under any circumstances. I will say this.....I believe that there was more than just PSA staff re-evaluating this cut. So.....as for me sending it......that's a big NO GO. I do not want this fake surviving in any way, shape, or form.

P.S.- It does make me wonder though, how a forgery found it's way in books from the 30's & 40's that contained authentic Goudey cards within it's pages as well.

But if you send it to me, and i study it, then i send it back, how will it find its way into the marketplace? unless you think i am going to keep it. i assure you i wouldn't. neither would richard simon. do you not want someone else to look at it for fear of what they might find and that finding might be different than what psa said?

remember, trusting psa's re-examination has to be with a grain of salt, because they are the ones who got it wrong in the first place. how about giving someone else a chance?

[Donavon]

Originally Posted by travrosty

But if you send it to me, and i study it, then i send it back, how will it find its way into the marketplace? unless you think i am going to keep it. i assure you i wouldn't. neither would richard simon. do you not want someone else to look at it for fear of what they might find and that finding might be different than what psa said?

remember, trusting psa's re-examination has to be with a grain of salt, because they are the ones who got it wrong in the first place. how about giving someone else a chance?

Travis,

Again.....the cut will be destroyed so that it will never again surface in the marketplace.....end of discussion. It is not out of fear of something that might be discovered or anything else. I just don't want this particular cut ever to have the chance of being sold or used to produce fakes to be sold in the marketplace again. It's not about you or Mr. Simon. It's about me wanting to eliminate something that does not belong in our hobby. Too many people have been the victims of this, including myself. Before the cut was pulled from ebay, it could have been sold to 5 different offers. Any of those people could have lost their hard earned money to something that was counterfeit had I accepted their best offers before it was pulled. I don't want it to have that oppurtunity again. Sorry.

[travrosty]

so you are saying you wouldnt trust richard simon not to try to copy it or sell it, etc.

c'mon, that excuse stinks. Wanting to quickly destroy it, only makes it sound bad that you have something to hide.

Please scan it first and send to my email a crisp, clear scan. Remember, ron's cobb is already on the internet on a good scan, so there is no fear that anyone would use a scan to copy it when ron's is already out there.

i would like to compare good scans. But if you are bent on destroying it as soon as it gets back, we can only assume there is something to hide.

You are among respected hobbyists here, no one is going to steal your fake cobb cut.

Could you elaborate on exactly what psa said regarding this master forger. surely they had a more detailed report on this autograph.

You are a victim, if you want to help others, mark it forgery and save it for future research. How is it going to get into someone else's hands if you are the owner?

[yanks12025]

Once you get it back can you take another picture of it, just to show that they did give it back.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

Once you get it back can you take another picture of it, just to show that they did give it back.

that is a great idea, include a copy of the current days newspaper.

i don't see how that could be hard to do. i will pay for the newspaper, usa today or whatever so we can confirm that you got it back.

[slidekellyslide]

Why would PSA reimburse this guy and then send it back? If they're paying out for their mistake wouldn't they keep it and destroy it themselves?

And Donovan, if you do get it back I hope you will send it to Richard Simon...you can be assured he would never let that get back into the hobby.