The Goodwin Plank and Magie are TRIMMED!

[bosoxfan]

can someone please explain to this newb, what you see from that picture/scan that so convinces many that it's trimmed. I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't have the experiance to tell.

Rich

[FrankWakefield]

Rich,

Planks are found with 2 backs. So far we perceive that all Piedmont 150 Planks show signs of being hand cut. This Plank that is offered is a Piedmont 150.

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

Rich,

Planks are found with 2 backs. So far we perceive that all Piedmont 150 Planks show signs of being hand cut. This Plank that is offered is a Piedmont 150.

Frank,

I think Rich is asking WHAT signs do you see that show it is trimmed???

[CardTarget]

Originally Posted by gnaz01

Frank,

I think Rich is asking WHAT signs do you see that show it is trimmed???

There are no physical signs - just historical knowledge.

There are a lot of scenarios where a few (or even ONE) of these get factory cut and then the presses/cutters get stopped. Nobody will ever REALLY know... so I, for one, am going to trust SGC.

I'm glass-half full.

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by CardTarget

There are no physical signs - just historical knowledge.

There are a lot of scenarios where a few (or even ONE) of these get factory cut and then the presses/cutters get stopped. Nobody will ever REALLY know... so I, for one, am going to trust SGC.

I'm glass-half full.

Totally understood! However, Frank states "So far we perceive that all Piedmont 150 Planks show signs of being hand cut. This Plank that is offered is a Piedmont 150." So I think Rich was just looking for "signs" as Frank put it for this one in particular.

FWIW, I think it is a gorgeous card!!

[FrankWakefield]

It is a great looking card, I think it would be revered in any of our collections.

I understand the "what signs", for me it was easy, that blue "Piedmont 150" on the back clued me in. That was the sign.

[Exhibitman]

I am willing to give SGC the benefit of the doubt because they reviewed the card in hand, went over it very carefully, and were aware of the risk of labeling it with a numerical grade if they missed something. I do not believe that the management of the company would have gone forward without being as certain as possible of the qualities of the card. Do they miss things from time to time? Of course. But it is quite a stretch to say that they missed it on something as significant as the Plank card, at this time, in this age of scrutiny, with the money and reputation at stake as it is.

Jim also makes a very good point. Extrapolating from a few known examples to all examples in existence is an inclusion error that relies on an assumption that has not been validated. I have been proven wrong enough times in my collecting experiences that I won't classify something unusual unequivocally unless I have first-hand knowledge [like a 1971 partial blank back card that someone asked me about recently as perhaps being scrap rather than original--I pulled the card from a pack myself in 1971 so I know it was issued]. None of us were involved in the T206 printing process and we simply do not know what really happened. The fact that the few P150 Plank cards to emerge so far were handcut does not pre-empt the possibility that a card might have slipped into the actual mix of issued cards. Look at the error card threads of late; the crap that actually did get out is way more visibly wrong than a properly printed card, but it made it through quality control and into the packages. Wagner wasn't supposed to go out but a bunch did. I prefer to base my conclusions on what I see, not what I think I should see, and I do not have enough information to make a determination on the subject card. I'd need to see it in person and go over it the way SGC did.

[danmckee]

"But it is quite a stretch to say that they missed it on something as significant as the Plank card"

Hi Adam! Welcome to the battle!

Does this imply that the Green Cobb is insignificant?
or that it is properly numerically graded in your opinion?



thanks
dan

[dstudeba]

How is putting the number on the Plank card any different than putting a number on strip cards, Bazookas, Oklahoma Today, or Esskay cards? According to Ted all of the Plank Piedmont 150s are hand cut, so this is just another case of a grading company putting a number on a handcut card.

Personally I think all handcut cards should be Authentic, but grading companies have decided to disagree with me.

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by danmckee

Does this imply that the Green Cobb is insignificant?
or that it is properly numerically graded in your opinion?

I don't know what tools/techniques/technologies are used by a TPG to determine if trimming has occurred. Hell, unless someone took safety scissors to a card, I can't tell. But regarding the Green Cobb, can you truly say simply by looking at the scan that it's trimmed? That top left corner gives me some pause, but maybe it's just a slight diamond cut?

Note that there was another Cobb (Bat Off) in the same submission that was deemed Authentic (likely due to trimming). What did they see in the Bat Off that they missed in the Green?

[atx840]

Originally Posted by exhibitman

look at the error card threads of late; the crap that actually did get out

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