t207 Donnelly

[tonyo]

Below is the list of t207 Broadleaf class cards in order of "value" according to 2011 SCD.

Does this list mirror actual difficulty?


Irving Lewis (emblem on sleeve)
Irving Lewis (no emblem)
Mike Donlin
Louis Lowdermilk
Ward Miller (Chicago)
George Weaver
---large jump---
Joseph Benz
Barney Pelty
George Tyler
Victor Saier
---small jump----
Arthur Rasmussen
Don Carlos Ragan
Morris Rath
George Mogridge
John B. Adams
William Cunningham
Charles Herzog
----26 others (including Donnelly)all tied--------
Roy Miller (Boston)
Eugene Woodburn
Tom Downey
---the following 4 are valued similarly to Recruit class cards----
Grover Hartley
Jay Kirke
Otto Miller (Brooklyn)
G. Harris White

[Sixtofan]

There is a wonderful article in vcbc detailing the t207 set including a survey of scarcity. I highly recommend it to anyone interested in the set

[tonyo]

Originally Posted by Sixtofan

There is a wonderful article in vcbc detailing the t207 set including a survey of scarcity. I highly recommend it to anyone interested in the set

I briefly tried to find that article (those articles - seems there were 2) or the vcbc issues, but couldn't come up with it without buying *almost* the whole run of vcbc....... haven't looked in a while though!

[sb1]

No.... quite a few differences from reality.

I would leave Lewis No emblem and W/emblem up there, as well as Donlin, Donnelly and Downey also would make my top 5, from there it gets pretty much up to individual experience. Tyler and Saier, along with a decently centered Speaker are tough.

Years ago Ragan, Rath and Rasmussen were considered quite difficult, but have proven to not be that rare. Woods and Weaver bring strong money but neither are hard to find. And the other two of the big three, Lowdermilk and Miller are available in many auctions every year.

Back to the top, the Lewis No Emblem has less than a handful known and the With Emblem can be just about as tough to find, especially anything above G-VG.

My random thoughts and experience. I put this set together about 10 years ago, when I could still buy groups with all of the backs in them, in other words unpicked, which gives one a better sense of real scarcity. The follow up work by Tim Newcomb further proved the difficulty and the nuances of the T207's.

[tbob]

Originally Posted by tonyo

Below is the list of t207 Broadleaf class cards in order of "value" according to 2011 SCD.

Does this list mirror actual difficulty?


Irving Lewis (emblem on sleeve)
Irving Lewis (no emblem)
Mike Donlin
Louis Lowdermilk
Ward Miller (Chicago)
George Weaver
---large jump---
Joseph Benz
Barney Pelty
George Tyler
Victor Saier
---small jump----
Arthur Rasmussen
Don Carlos Ragan
Morris Rath
George Mogridge
John B. Adams
William Cunningham
Charles Herzog
----26 others (including Donnelly)all tied--------
Roy Miller (Boston)
Eugene Woodburn
Tom Downey
---the following 4 are valued similarly to Recruit class cards----
Grover Hartley
Jay Kirke
Otto Miller (Brooklyn)
G. Harris White

Based on my having put together this set 3 times and also current want lists, the Mogridge and Pelty are right behind Lewis no emblem and Donlin. Benz' are plentiful among the rarer cards and should be lowered in to the final group. Sweeney and Ragan should be next in terms of scarcity.
Two Recruit backs, Block and Scott should be in the top 8 of all cards in the set. If you are looking for T207s in EXMT or better, Block, Scott and Wallace are next to impossible.
Just my 2 cents....

[tbob]

Wagner with the Carrigan back could be the toughest card in the set.

[tonyo]

Originally Posted by tbob

Based on my having put together this set 3 times and also current want lists, the Mogridge and Pelty are right behind Lewis no emblem and Donlin. Benz' are plentiful among the rarer cards and should be lowered in to the final group. Sweeney and Ragan should be next in terms of scarcity.
Two Recruit backs, Block and Scott should be in the top 8 of all cards in the set. If you are looking for T207s in EXMT or better, Block, Scott and Wallace are next to impossible.
Just my 2 cents....

Thanks everyone.

tbob's top 8 in the set:

Lewis emblem
Lewis no emblem
Donlin
Mogridge/Pelty
Sweeney/Ragan
Block/Scott (both recruit)

sb1's top 5:
Lewis emblem
Lewis no emblem
Donlin
Donnelly/Downey


sb1 honroable mention: Bauman, Tyler and Saier (broadleaf) centered Speaker (recruit)

[sb1]

I convinced Bob Lemke to delist the Carrigan and Wagner wrong backs several years ago. They are simply printing errors of sheet alignment, even when found they are not completely aligned front and back. I have other wrong backs that occurred due to this process as well.

They are NOT part of the T207 set.

[sb1]

Here are two backs showing the o/c back of other cards, while not shown the fronts are normally centered.

Also forgot to put Bauman on the list as one of the toughies.

[tonyo]

Thanks for posting those backs sb1.

Interesting to read that Rube Oldring contributed a home run off Marquard in the world series!

[Bridwell]

Interesting thread. I've been working on T207s steadily for 3 years now. That list from SCD is a lot different from my experience. It is also a lot different from the 2007 Standard Catalog I have.

In short, some of the toughest T207s seem more common to me. This would include Loudermilk and Ward Miller where there have been many sold in auctions the last couple of years. Even Benz, Donnelly and Sweeney have popped up several times in the last year.

Surprisingly, the more common ones listed such as Doc White can be pretty tough. And a few of the Recruit backs come up for sale very rarely. When guys are working on sets, the competition can be fierce in the auctions. One card may sell for $50, another for $500.