FYI....T206 CYCLE 350 & 460 confirmed lists

[philliesphan]

believe it should exist, and I've seen the other two Phillies from the 350/460 series.

Would appreciate seeing a scan. An auction listing or a Population report do not provide "definitive" proof in my mind, particularly given the chance for mistake/error that we know that both grading companies and auction houses make mistakes.

[JerryTotino]

Marc,

Unfortunately, the auction lot was for a T206 520 card set and thus no scans of this specific card were provided. To me there is too much coincidence that both the pop report and the auction listing indicate an SGC 50 McQuillan Cycle exists. I'm just presenting the facts.


Jerry

[tedzan]

The CYCLE 460 cards depict players in the 350/460 series and the 460-only series, which comprise of a total of 109 subjects.
These cards were issued circa..Fall/Winter 1910.






CYCLE 460 backs confirmed......total = 107


350/460 series..................................63 cards

Ames (hands over head)
Baker
Bender (no trees)
Berger
Bradley (bat)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Burch (fielding)
Chance (yellow portrait)
Chase (blue portrait)
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Cobb (bat off)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Davis (A's)
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
L. Doyle (bat)

Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Griffith (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Johnson (pitching)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (pitching)
Kleinow (Boston)
Konetchy (glove low)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitching)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)

Murphy (bat)
O'Leary (hands/knees)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (fielding)
Tinker (bat off)
Wagner (bat on right)
White (pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (bat)

Willis (throwing)
Wiltse (pitching)
CYoung (glove)


460-only Series................................44 confirmed cards

Abbaticcio (blue sleeve)
Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (follow thru)
Bergen (catching)
Bescher (arms up)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Camnitz (arms up)
Camnitz (arms side)
Chance (bat)
Chase (trophy)
Crandall (cap)
Devore
Doyle (portrait)
Duffy
Ford
Frill
Gandil
Geyer
Herzog (Boston)
Howell (hands)

Hummel
Lake (ball-St Louis)
Latham
Marquard (follow thru)
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (glove at hip)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers (portrait)
Murray (portrait)
Needham
Oldring (bat)
Overall (blue sky)
Payne
Pfeffer
Schlei (portrait)
Schlei (bat)
Schulte (back view)
Sheckard
Smith (Brooklyn)
Stovall (bat)

Tannehill (Chicago)
Tinker (bat on)
Wheat
Wiltse (portrait-cap)




UPDATED by adding McQuillan (bat)


TED Z

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

I really have to see a scan before I believe that the card exists.. I do believe it should but until a scan shows up I think it should be left off.

Why does the other McQuillen not exist with a Cycle 350 back?

Lee

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by bowlingshoegiverouterguy

Why does the other McQuillen not exist with a Cycle 350 back?

Lee

Lee,

The other McQuillen (Ball In Hand) is a 150-350 Subject and Cycle 350's were printed during the 350 Only group.

[tedzan]

Thanks Jerry T

I've added McQuillan (bat) to the list.


TED Z

[tedzan]

Lee and Marc

I appreciate your skepticism regarding the McQuillan / CYCLE 460 card, since both of you have probably been looking for this card
for some years. But, so has Jerry, who also specializes in collecting the CYCLE 460 subset.

I have been searching for certain AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 cards for 6 years, now. And, recently I found Frill and Overall (yellow sky),
which I had been convinced were No-Prints.

CYCLE 460 cards are tough to find; nevertheless, I do expect that all 109 possible candidates will eventually be confirmed. So now,
there are only 2 other subjects [ Schaefer (Washington), and Seymour (portrait) ] missing.

McQuillan played with the Phillies throughout the 1910 season. He was traded to Cinci. at the end of 1910. The CYCLE 460 timeline
occurred before this trade. My point here is that there is no valid reason why McQuillan should not exist with a CYCLE 460 back.


TED Z

[tedzan]

The CYCLE 460 cards depict players in the 350/460 series and the 460-only series, which comprise of a total of 109 subjects.
These cards were issued circa..Fall/Winter 1910.






CYCLE 460 backs confirmed......total = 109


350/460 series..................................63 cards

Ames (hands over head)
Baker
Bender (no trees)
Berger
Bradley (bat)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Burch (fielding)
Chance (yellow portrait)
Chase (blue portrait)
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Cobb (bat off)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Davis (A's)
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
L. Doyle (bat)

Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Griffith (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Johnson (pitching)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (pitching)
Kleinow (Boston)
Konetchy (glove low)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitching)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)

Murphy (bat)
O'Leary (hands/knees)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (fielding)
Tinker (bat off)
Wagner (bat on right)
White (pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (bat)

Willis (throwing)
Wiltse (pitching)
CYoung (glove)


460-only Series................................46 confirmed cards

Abbaticcio (blue sleeve)
Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (follow thru)
Bergen (catching)
Bescher (arms up)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Camnitz (arms up)
Camnitz (arms side)
Chance (bat)
Chase (trophy)
Crandall (cap)
Devore
Doyle (portrait)
Duffy
Ford
Frill
Gandil
Geyer
Herzog (Boston)
Howell (hands)

Hummel
Lake (ball-St Louis)
Latham
Marquard (follow thru)
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (glove at hip)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers (portrait)
Murray (portrait)
Needham
Oldring (bat)
Overall (blue sky)
Payne
Pfeffer
Schaefer (Washington)
Schlei (portrait)
Schlei (bat)
Schulte (back view)
Seymour (portrait)
Sheckard

Smith (Brooklyn)
Stovall (bat)
Tannehill (Chicago)
Tinker (bat on)
Wheat
Wiltse (portrait-cap)



TED Z

[philliesphan]

Originally Posted by bowlingshoegiverouterguy

I really have to see a scan before I believe that the card exists.. I do believe it should but until a scan shows up I think it should be left off.

Lee

Lee -- I agree with you. No board member has actually seen or confirmed this card. Basing a checklist inclusion simply on a population report and/or a card listed in a large auction grouping does not pass the "ample evidence" test in my mind to definitively confirm the existence of a card. Particularly given the wealth of knowledge / resources / hobby expertise of the many members on this site, it seems more appropriate to me to state "likely to exist, but not definitively confirmed".

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

Tim,

Thanks for the response. I agree totally with Marc's statement, until we have total confirmation it should not be added. It sure looks like the card should exist but until physical evidence is made available it should not be on the list.

Lee