Does common sense have a place in the world of professional grading?

[shimozukawa]

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[steve B]

The slippery slope of cluelessness here.

" For example, PSA will not grade a 1979 O-Pee-Chee Wayne Gretzky card cut from a sheet because that card was issued in non-sheet form. On the other hand, PSA will grade a 1959 Bazooka or 1961 Post Cereal Mickey Mantle because those cards could only be obtained in one fashion - removed by hand from a box or panel."


soooo.......Cards from the 1970's team photo card sheets can be graded because they were issued that way? And the Topps cards from Dynamite magazine? And 1983 Topps which were issued in uncut sheets? And all those popcorn discs that came as discs in the package but could be ordered as a set which came as an uncut sheet?

How about George C Millers that were cancelled by removing the bottom of the card which contained the offer. They were essentially treated as tabs by the issuing company, so they should be gradeable right?

And they end by saying that if there's more original tab than looks nice it should be removed to get a higher grade!

What's next? A trimmed card grading service.
1 really sloppy job
2 slightly sloppy job
3 looks good from a few feet but the edge is wavy
4 straight edge, but it's still easy to tell.
5 great job! it almost got by us.

Better ones of course will get an 8, 9 or 10

Steve B

[shimozukawa]

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[novakjr]

What's they're stance on the Exhibit 4 on 1 that had the coupon or whatever in the corner removed? Do they still grade the same as ones that were never cut off?

[glynparson]

With all the legitimate reasons to bash PSA I think this one is rather silly. The card is clearly labeled without coupon. they do the same with Redman tobacco. SGC does the same with Zeenuts. Don't see the problem. One is EX with the coupon one is ex without the coupon.

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by glynparson

With all the legitimate reasons to bash PSA I think this one is rather silly. The card is clearly labeled without coupon. they do the same with Redman tobacco. SGC does the same with Zeenuts. Don't see the problem. One is EX with the coupon one is ex without the coupon.

From the original post:

"How can any grading company come up with the logic that deems both of these cards receive the same grade?"

The question wasn't intended to bash PSA.

[shimozukawa]

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[steve B]

Originally Posted by shimozukawa

I think that is pretty much the opposite of what they're saying. Unless those issues were different from the mass issued versions (which is an indication of MY ignorance), they couldn't be graded.



Umm... no. If you just sent in the bottom half of all of the cards, you wouldn't win. The cards needed to be redeemed in full pieces. As such, this would not count as a "tab" type of card, in my opinion.

Their example was a 79 Gretzky - cut from a sheet wouldn't be graded since the card wasn't issued in an uncut sheet form. They don't mention any requirement of differences. The 70's team card sheets were on different cardboard sometimes, but not always. The magazine panels are 6 card panels taken from regualr sheets as far as I know. The 83 set was issued in uncut sheets with no differences at all. I still have the sheet I bought and the huge wrapper, a giant cello tube.

I don't actually consider the Millers as tabbed cards either, but the factory did remove the offer portion just as a consumer would remove a tab.

I do think that a card without the tab is trimmed. Just as a cancelled R300 is trimmed.

The distinction of with/without tab seems to be a decent compromise though, especially for sets that usually have the tabs cut off.

SGC does odd things too, the Topps Allen and Ginter mini cards with autographs or bits of wood or cloth come enclosed in another full size card with windows in it. (And a hole so you can touch the cloth swatch )
SGC won't grade these as issued, they have to be removed from the outer card. Which makes nearly no sense whatsoever.

Steve B

[shimozukawa]

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[novakjr]

Originally Posted by shimozukawa

This part is the lack of common sense. However, in their defense (stupid Bazooka thing not withstanding), they do indicate "H" on the cards missing tabs in the registry.



My understanding is that if they were to grade those cards as individual panels, you would more than likely only receive an "authentic" grade.

1) Panels aren't intended to be redeemed as coupons.
2) If you wanted better than an "authentic" grade, you'd need to include more than just the perforation for that panel (assuming they're willing to grade them at all).

The "H" makes a little sense. At least they're distinguishing within each individual's set.

Anyways, I was completely joking about the Topps basketball. Just using an extreme example of intent.

The answer is simple. Its PSA We all should not be surprised anymore. Its sad really

[philliesphan]

any different than how BOTH PSA and SGC treat Zeenuts -- it is denoted whether it has the Coupon or Not. And Collectors obviously place a huge premium on Zeenuts with coupons.