I'm almost POSITIVE this card features Shoeless Joe...

[PolarBear]

I read this entire thread. It almost ended in a train wreck but turned out ok.

Good stuff and I bet this card gets recognized a Joe Jackson card by the hobby as a whole.

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by PolarBear

I read this entire thread. It almost ended in a train wreck but turned out ok.

Good stuff and I bet this card gets recognized a Joe Jackson card by the hobby as a whole.

If you're up for it, Don, you should also read the threads that this one sparked, particularly a couple that were started solely because of how much attention this one received. (T-card envy, I think they call it.)

[PolarBear]

Originally Posted by Rob D.

If you're up for it, Don, you should also read the threads that this one sparked, particularly a couple that were started solely because of how much attention this one received. (T-card envy, I think they call it.)

Any links? Thanks,

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by PolarBear

Any links? Thanks,

I found this one to be pretty entertaining, on oh-so-many levels:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=124210

[botn]

Originally Posted by Rob D.

I found this one to be pretty entertaining, on oh-so-many levels:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=124210

And we all learned how to play the Gotcha game too.

[botn]

I figured it was worth an effort to do some research on the other T202, Milan McBride Schaefer On First, which some suggest depicts a sliding Jackson. I figured it was even more of a long shot that I would come up with anything definitive as the image merely shows a Cleveland player being held at first--hardly something that makes the paper, right? I read through all the articles of the 11 games Washington played in Cleveland. Only 1 provided any information which loosely supports the possibility that Jackson is the player sliding on that T202. Below is a HUGE scan of that article from the Cleveland Plain Dealer from the game of May 21, 1911. Of the 11 games these two teams played in Cleveland this is the only one which has an image from the game. Is it possible that headlines from the Cleveland Plain Dealer influenced 2 center panel images? Will let you all draw your own conclusions. And if so, is it Jackson or Graney sliding?

http://botn.com/images/May 21 1911 Naps.jpg

[FrankWakefield]

Great research, and thanks for posting the scan link.

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by Rob D.

I found this one to be pretty entertaining, on oh-so-many levels:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=124210

wow, i missed this thread. some people just don't subscribe to the theory "simplest explanation is usually the correct one" (google call it occam's razor)...but i guess when you're right, you're right!

[nolemmings]

Interesting that Graney is also wearing the white half-sock from a game played in 1911. Also interesting that Graney made it to at least second base in the game from which your prior newspaper photo of JoeJax appeared. Did you say you had read the play by play from that game? If so, was Graney ever retired at 3B?

EDITED TO ADD: Never mind. I read the game story and Graney was not retired at 3B. In fact, no other runners were retired at 3B except for JoeJax on the smash to short.

[botn]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Interesting that Graney is also wearing the white half-sock from a game played in 1911. Also interesting that Graney made it to at least second base in the game from which your prior newspaper photo of JoeJax appeared. Did you say you had read the play by play from that game? If so, was Graney ever retired at 3B?

Hi Todd,

Thank you. In the other game against the White Sox, Graney went 1 for 3 with a walk. The play by play did not mention the at bat which resulted in a hit. It did cover the at bat in which Graney was walked. It states "Graney stole second on the same ball but hesitated about going to third and when he made a belated start he was headed off and retired, Payne, Lord to Zeider." This at bat was in the 3rd inning and the article states only two other players touched 2nd base in the game. One of them was Jackson in the put out at 3rd. Not sure of the other.