Legendary T-206 Honus Wagner

[barrysloate]

If the card came back graded a 2, would we have been given the same details about its past?

[three25hits]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

If the card came back graded a 2, would we have been given the same details about its past?

You're a conspiracist too?

[barrysloate]

I'm just naturally skeptical.

[barrysloate]

Hi Al- hopefully you're correct. I agree they probably would have, but this is a funny hobby. Anything goes.

[batsballsbases]

Barry,
I guess the bottom line with all auction houses( let me correct that and say most) is that anyone who bids on very high end items needs to do as much homework on that item as possible. In the case of this wagner even a piss poor one will probably cost you lets say for arguement 20-40 thousand. Now the real question comes.Is someone willing to fork up lets say 100 thousand for this one that had now been altered? And as we now its stated right there for all to see. Altered can be a funny word as we know the Gretsky Wagner for years has been sited as being trimmed but yet as we know what the last price that card sold for. Bottom line is with something like this there is going to be a very limited amount of people who can bid on this card anyway. I believe if you really want a wagner there will be someone out there willing to put aside the "altered" word and buy it.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by three25hits

You're a conspiracist too?

Conspiracist? Obviously, you're an anti-conspirite!

[dstudeba]

Sorry Blair, but I doubt that Legendary doesn't have (or believe they have) the in house expertise to tell if it was a fake or not. If they thought there was a chance it was a fake they wouldn't have put it in their press release.

If it came back in a 2 holder they might very well have disclosed the history of the card. However what is the point of doing the work to get it in a 2 holder if you intend to disclose that it is an AUT?

[JP]

Anybody amazed by how weak the lots they are offering are? Legendary appears to be struggling...

[e107collector]

JP,

I agree with the weak lots. There seems to be more non-sports, photos, and americana than cards. Very disappointed.

Tony

[Bosox Blair]

Originally Posted by dstudeba

Sorry Blair, but I doubt that Legendary doesn't have (or believe they have) the in house expertise to tell if it was a fake or not.

I'm sure you are right, but the expectations of buyers are changing now. Clearly, this same card changed hands in the past on the basis only of a description and explanation by the seller. But today, if a card of this value isn't in a PSA or SGC holder, buyers think it must have been rejected by the grading companies (I've seen many such comments on this very Board).

With a "Franken-Wagner" like this, I think it makes a lot of sense as an auctioneer to have one of the big graders agree that the card under all that junk is actually an authentic Wagner.

Cheers,
Blair

[scottglevy]

I know that I am a very small fish....but the fact that I won't bid in any Legendary auction (and I respect them only marginally more than coaches corner) is indicative of how much damage they've caused to their reputation and therefore their brand and auction.

I suspect that some people may be able to find bargains there ... but I won't be looking.

Regards,
Scott

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by scottglevy

I know that I am a very small fish....but the fact that I won't bid in any Legendary auction (and I respect them only marginally more than coaches corner) is indicative of how much damage they've caused to their reputation and therefore their brand and auction.

I suspect that some people may be able to find bargains there ... but I won't be looking.

Regards,
Scott

Wow, Scott! I know you don't say that lightly.

What if they changed the name of the company again? Would that make it OK?

[batsballsbases]

Barry,
I would have to say yes and the only reason I would say this is because I believe so many people knew about this card that if they tried to pass it off as anything but they would have lost every bit of respectability they have been trying to rebuild.