W600 Signed Cy Young - Now Authentic?

[Matt]

[quote=canjond;776947]Interestingly enough, the other forum has a concurrent thread going about this card. Ben still has his pictures up from the July 2008 auction. It is, without question, the same card...

http://www.servimg.com/image_preview...=94&u=12386672
http://www.servimg.com/image_preview...=95&u=12386672



I said almost sure Incredible that it is actually a good sig...

[canjond]

Originally Posted by Matt

I said almost sure Incredible that it is actually a good sig...

I hope so for the buyers sake. I wonder, with no know D.T. Young exemplars/samples, how one authenticates such a piece?

[bigfish]

It certainly is a special peice. JSA certed the auto so I have no reason to believe that it is not real. I guess it would be easy to assume the worst while it was raw on ebay. Now it has been certed by JSA. Why would there be a question about it's authenticity now that it has been evaluated by JSA? JSA is the best in the buisness. I think it is a super item. Just my opinion.

Edited to say the I did not consign the Young card. Just giving my opinion.

[Orioles1954]

Spence will tell you this much. An LOA is not the gospel, it is a professional opinion. Such opinions have been right, some have been wrong. There are no forensic handwriting experts that I'm aware of who work professionally. in the hobby. Ultimately, it is left to the buyer to draw their own conclusions.

[Bicem]

Originally Posted by canjond

I hope so for the buyers sake. I wonder, with no know D.T. Young exemplars/samples, how one authenticates such a piece?

How does one authenticate any rare sig? I personally think the entire signature authentication process is a bunch of BS, but that's just me. Slant flow and pen pressure... give me a break.

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by Bicem

How does one authenticate any rare sig? I personally think the entire signature authentication process is a bunch of BS, but that's just me. Slant flow and pen pressure... give me a break.

Jeff, it is ultimately a question of trust. It's a darn good thing I'm not famous. My signature changes slant and flow everytime I sign anything

[barrysloate]

Even if this is the only D.T. Young signature, wouldn't the "Young" on this W600 have to match pretty closely with later "Cy Young" signatures? I'm not an autograph expert, so I'll leave that to others to determine. Maybe Jodi B. or someone else has an opinion he can share.

[henson1855]

Jsa has made a number of notable blunders as of late,personally I would think twice before buying anything Jsa has authenticated,anyone interested can refer to www.autographalert.com

[Robextend]

Originally Posted by henson1855

anyone interested can refer to www.autographalert.com

Cool site. Not being an autograph expert, I found this statement rather interesting regarding the JSA authentication sticker:

"Number one rule of thumb in the collecting business: Never affix a foreign matter to an original item of historical importance. This includes historical documents, maps, original collectibles, coins, stamps, autographs, etc. A professional would never deface a historical piece by putting their official business logo on it. It defaces the piece and irrevocably alters its historical significance and value."

Is that true? And if it is, why would JSA do that?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Robextend

Cool site. Not being an autograph expert, I found this statement rather interesting regarding the JSA authentication sticker:

"Number one rule of thumb in the collecting business: Never affix a foreign matter to an original item of historical importance. This includes historical documents, maps, original collectibles, coins, stamps, autographs, etc. A professional would never deface a historical piece by putting their official business logo on it. It defaces the piece and irrevocably alters its historical significance and value."

Is that true? And if it is, why would JSA do that?

I don't care who does it but putting a sticker on an antiquity is a dispicable and indefensible practice, imo. I have some stickers on items and every time I see them I just think how dumb whoever did that was. It's idiotic!!

[prewarsports]

Wasn't Cy Youngs personal 1889 autograph album recently sold at auction with his name on the cover? I would think that item would have his signature as Denton Young. I will need to see if I remember where that thing was, but I am thinking it was Legendary.

Rhys

[barrysloate]

As I said, I'm not an autograph guy, but there is a leap of faith here.

[henson1855]

Here is a link to an interesting article how JSA deemed an 1899 letter from Ed Delahanty authentic,when Delahanty's name was misspelled "Delehanty"The letter sold for $30,000.00 in a Hunt auction a few years ago,when the letter was to be resold last year,it was pulled from the auction and determined not to be authentic,needlees to say there is now at least one lawsuit pending againt JSAhttp://autographalert.com/2006-7-12.html

[tinkereversandme]

The authenticating game is all hooey. Why would you think it's unauthentic?

Because authenticators make errors (a lot more than people believe) and let's hope for Jimmy's sake, he isn't passing this thing as a "favor" for someone.

Cheers,

Larry

[packs]

I just don't see how if this is the only ever DT Young signature that anyone would stake their entire reputation behind saying it is likely authentic even though there is nothing to compare it to. Even if JSA thinks that the signature is authentic, I would have a hard time staking my reputation on a maybe. This is going to be a high profile auction. If they are wrong, people are going to know. Would JSA authenticate a Plato signature on the side of some ancient pottery too just because it matched the time period and writing device?

[Matt]

Originally Posted by packs

This is going to be a high profile auction. If they are wrong, people are going to know.

Not sure how anyone can prove one way or the other to say they were "wrong."

[packs]

I don't see how there can just be one. After this auction someone will probably come out of the woodwork with another DT Young signature that may or may not have a little more provenance, which would either confirm or deny the authenticity of this one. At least that is what I'm thinking. Not saying its a bad sig. Maybe it is and maybe it isn't.