T206 AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set survey....MISSION COMPLETE

[tedzan]

Therefore, if my above analysis is correct, we should expect to eventually find the following 5 cards with AMERICAN
BEAUTY 460 backs.....if we do not first find them with Red HINDU backs.

My experience shows that the AB 460 back is very underrated. It is much scarcer than most T206 collectors realize.
Further reinforcement of this fact is, that no AMERICAN BEAUTY (Factory 42) cigarette packs have been found.



.................................................. ..................Factory 42





350/460 series cards........

Dougherty (arm in air)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chi)
Murphy (bat)
Overall (yellow sky)
Reulbach (no glove)


These 5 could possibly be No Prints. On the other hand, perhaps someone on Net54 (or a reader of Net54) may just
surprise us by reporting any one of these 5 with an AB 460 back ?

Thanks every one for your efforts in these type of surveys.


TED Z

[ethicsprof]

I checked my AB pack and it's fact.25 not 42---just throwin' a li'l late night
corroboration your way.
By the way, i do like ole Doc Duet's language of your 'pulling the monster's teeth'.

all the best,
barry

[tedzan]

Indeed, Darren is a cool dude regarding all aspects of "The Monster".

He's the guy who convinced me some years ago that the 1910 COUPON cards are indeed T206's.
Thanks Darren.


Regards ole buddy,

TED Z

[ethicsprof]

i'm not surprised! those Louisiana fellas know their cards and certainly had quite a few unique types come out of that one state!

alll the best to you, ole buddy

barry

[caramelcard]

.

[tedzan]

Gee, what happened to the Net54 "Jazz buffs" ?

I would of thought Barry S, or Jodi B, or any one else, would have already answered my Trivia question in post #21 ?

TED Z

[Peter W Thomas]

Ted would that be the "Count"?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Indeed, Darren is a cool dude regarding all aspects of "The Monster".

He's the guy who convinced me some years ago that the 1910 COUPON cards are indeed T206's.
Thanks Darren.


Regards ole buddy,

TED Z

I too could be convinced if they were at least on the same kind of paper stock, which they aren't. They are 100% different than ANY other T206 stock. That, combined with Burdick's designation, is proof enough (for me) that T213-1 should never ever be considered a T206.....but this is a debate that will go on for a long time...All in fun...best regards

[barrysloate]

Ted- I hadn't looked at this thread in a while. If I did I would have told you Count Basie, as others have.

Did you find the Home Run Baker with red Hindu back? It was my November 16, 2006 auction, lot #50.

[ullmandds]

While I'm not totally disagreeing with you, Leon...if paper stock were the smoking gun...then maybe e97 b/w's/proofs shouldn't even be classified as e97's...they should be a totally separate issue...e-unc? I'm sure there are others. There will always be the t213-1/t206 debate...among others...hell...we need issues to bicker about...if everything were known...we'd have nothing to talk about?

[tedzan]

Thanks, I have yet to find it....and now that you informed of it, I can stop searching.

Regards,

TED Z

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

While I'm not totally disagreeing with you, Leon...if paper stock were the smoking gun...then maybe e97 b/w's/proofs shouldn't even be classified as e97's...they should be a totally separate issue...e-unc? I'm sure there are others. There will always be the t213-1/t206 debate...among others...hell...we need issues to bicker about...if everything were known...we'd have nothing to talk about?

Hey Pete
For the record no one that has any hobby experience considers the E97's as proofs. It's absurd to think they are, imo. Since they have the same exact poses I consider them a subset of E97, maybe E97-2. I also think they could actually be a whole different set but since there is precedence in other sets (such as E254 "proofs") I leave them as E97. For the record my feelings on E254 are the same as E97. Both of the E sets that are "proofs" have blank backs. The T213-1 set has a different back, though the caligraphy is similar to other of T206, and I just can't make that leap. There is no Coupon T206 and, if I am not mistaking, the factory and district are different than any other also. (I haven't looked that up though) It's a good debate......and your are right. Without these nuances what would we talk about?