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Posted By: Dave F
I've somewhat decided to go as far as I can with an E98 set. I know there are quite a few tough cards in the set...and after doing some back searches on here have found what some of you feel are the toughies. Curious does anyone feel differently about any of the cards at this point? If anyone wants to get deep enough with what colors/player combos may be the most difficult I welcome that information as well. |
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Posted By: Rob
Dave, not to highjack the thread, but another question I have about this set is why does it seem like there are SO many examples of cards from this set with paper missing (or flaking off?) from the front? There seem to be plenty of low-condition cards from the set in general, but missing paper seems to be pretty common. |
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Posted By: Steve Murray
Do you plan on trying for a Master Set all four color combos? That would be a daunting task. Just ask Tbob who is trying it for the e94's. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Vaughan, Tenney, Coombs, and Kling are considered quite difficult, and one collector who follows the set feels all the commons are tougher than the HOFers. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Check-out this Coombs of mine. I've seen it start to disintegrate in the last few years. And, it's really a shame..... |
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Posted By: Dave F
Ted- That is a shame. What is the card stored in? Could that be the issue? I'm wondering if the cards once slabbed are somewhat more protected, or is there still a chance a slabbed E98 could lose some flakes? |
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Posted By: Bruce MacPherson
I agree that the commons as a group are tougher than the HOFers. Although Walsh is obviously tough and Matty cards do not come up too often. When I was aggressively collecting the cards, I found the Dahlen, McLean and Meyers cards to be tougher than expected. Other than those, Barry gives an accurate list. |
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Posted By: Bob
For some reason the E94s and E98s appear to be very condition sensitive, more so than the other caramel cards like e90-1, e92, etc. I have no explanation but I have bought 2 E94s which "imploded" upon release from the card holders and you must also be very careful with the corners as both sets have a tendency to have the color near the border corners "slide" or "flake" off. |
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Posted By: Bob
Very nice pickup on the red Tenney. I still am in the group that thinks the reds are the toughest. |
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Posted By: Wesley
I believe Rob A. from this forum is closing in on a master set with all four colors. |
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Posted By: JimB
In my experience (and my collection) blue and green seem to be the most common colors. I agree with TBob that red appears to be the toughest. And for some reason, E98s are extemely tough to find in nice condition (vg or better). I think putting this set together in Ex condition would be a bigger monster than the monster itself. |
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Posted By: Bob
Wesley- I think Rob has given up on the master set idea, in fact as I recall he was selling off his lesser condition duplicates. |
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Posted By: robert a
I got to about 107 or 108 out of the 120 cards for the 4 different colors of E98. I stopped because I still needed two Wagners, two Cobbs, two Lajoies, and a Mack. |
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Posted By: Dave F
Strange how different people think different colors are the hardest...I wonder if they were just randomly distrubuted by colors to begin with or if there was some sort of pattern? Maybe the first few months of production the greens were produced and then so on? |
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Posted By: robert a
Dave, |
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Posted By: Brian McQueen
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Posted By: Scott Mosley
Rob said: |
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Posted By: robert a
Scott, |
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Posted By: Scott Mosley
Hi Rob, |
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Posted By: Bob
And it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. |
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Posted By: Dave F
So...a dumb question here....what do you guys consider mid grade and what do you consider high grade for E98's? |
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Posted By: Brett
I stopped collecting e98s months ago because the prices were getting rediculous like the e93s were. I started collecting them when you could buy poor condition commons for $25-$35 on ebay. I've noticed alot of flaking on these cards and alot of them seem to be printed on an angle for some reason. I guess being printed on thin paper doesn't help... I was lucky enough to win 1 e98 Young in nice shape for a PSA 1 and 2 e98 Mattys (GAI authentic and 1 thats not graded) on ebay in poor shape for what I thought was a steal. I've stopped collecting the e98, but I still look for e98 Mattys because its my favourite caramel card. The image on the card is really neat looking in my opinion |
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Posted By: Dave F
I was a little surprised last night on ebay to see the Chase go for as much as it did. Congrats on that Barry....and I see it went to a board member as well. Is it because Chase is seen a little less? Just wondered about why the premium there? |
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Posted By: Bruce MacPherson
I remember that Chase. It was in my collection for years before I got an upgrade. You can add Chase to the list of tougher cards in the set - hence the high sales price. BTW, I would consider a solid SGC 40/PSA 3 set to be midgrade for this issue. Anything EX or above is high grade to me. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
It surprised me a little bit too, but I think it's the norm to see tougher high demand cards do better than one expects. |
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Posted By: Mike
I won the E98 Chase. The reason I paid so much was that I'm trying to put together a complete Chase color E98 set. This is my second as the other being a PSA 2 green background. So if anyone has the blue or red, let me know as I'd be interested in buying them. Thanks, |
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Posted By: Bob
I think SGC 30 is mid grade for this set. When you consider my SGC 50 Vaughn was for many years the highest graded and is now the 2nd highest, and factor in SGC's policy of being brutal on grading caramel cards, SGC 30s with nice eye appeal are mid-grade. |
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Posted By: Dave F
Well congrats on the pickup Mike. I had my eye on it....pretty nice Chase for the grade. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
It looks nice for an SGC 10. There was just a little paper loss on the reverse. |
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Posted By: Bob
I wonder if 50 years from now (I'll be long gone) cards with great fronts and tiny bits of paper loss will be far outselling creased cards with much less eye appeal but no paper loss? I think they will. I think the grading companies have trained us to reject cards with back paper loss and instead to buy creased cards with complete backs, especially when they give both cards the same grades. I also think that 50 years from now cards which are slightly trimmed will far out distance poor, fair and even good graded cards. The advent of opening up grading and slabbing the cards as "authentic" is just the first step. |
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Posted By: Mike Ernst
For what this is worth--in 1976 (or 77?) I bought about 110 Caramel cards from an antique dealer in central Wisconsin. Of those, 55 were E98's. The color breakdown was this: |
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Posted By: JimB
Mike, |
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Posted By: Bob
Mike- Do you still have the cards and if not did they eventually go on ebay, private sale, trades, etc? |
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Posted By: Mike Ernst
Still have the majority of them--soft corners, only Matty is creased, no flaking at all--caramel stains on the backs of all of them--several with small bits of paper loss on back, no paper loss on any of them on the front. |
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Posted By: JimB
I wonder if the relatively high number of E98s with paper loss is related (at least sometimes) to being packaged with caramel or some candy. Maybe people tried to scrape off caramel that was stuck to the back of the cards and it tore a bit of paper off. Just a thought. I see more small areas of paper loss on E98s that most any other type of E card. Could have something to do with the product and/or packaging. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
So Jim, in that scenario a kid would buy a piece of candy, yank the card off the caramel with little bits of paper still stuck to it, and then put the candy in his mouth! Didn't they know about hygiene back then? |
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Posted By: Dave F
Wow Mike, would love to see some scans of those if you ever get a chance. |
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Posted By: skydash55
Hi guys....I've been looking at his post.I seem to have all of these cards except the Tenny. What other non-HOF's are considered difficult to find?? |
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Posted By: Brian Weisner
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Posted By: Brian Weisner
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Posted By: Bruce MacPherson
I found an old spreadsheet from when I was aggressively collecting the set. My breakdown (before I sold most of my dupes) was similar to the Skydash find, but green was my predominant color. I suppose Mike had all the reds. |
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Posted By: Dave F
Well with so many on the board that collects these that seem to favor orange...glad I prefer the blue |
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Posted By: quan
honestly with all the breakdowns and distributions i think all the backs have about the same number, there are no tougher backs just a preference toward one...mine's green or blue so of course i always see orange or red way more. |
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Posted By: Bob
Quan- have to disagree old friend, Vaughn and Coonbs are still the toughest 2 with Walsh easily the toughest of the HOFers. Also, finding a red Coombes or a red Vaughn or a red Walsh is almost impossible. |
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Posted By: skydash55
"Also, finding a red Coombes or a red Vaughn or a red Walsh is almost impossible". |
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Posted By: quan
remember i sent you a ripped red coombs that i bought at the ac national ($35!) a couple years back. i think sgc gave it a 10. there was a recent beat up walsh also. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
The Skydash collection is going to add a lot of high quality material to the marketplace. |
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Posted By: robert a
Quan, |
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Posted By: quan
rob ur correct, kids way back would likely keep a famous more than a common, i forgot about that angle. |
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Posted By: JimB
Barry said, |
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