Ruth #149

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Posted By: Glenn

Can anyone help me out here? As of this posting, I'm the high bidder on this PSA Ruth card, but I received an email from someone indicating that the card in the slab is a reprint. Any opinions would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
Glenn


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86843&item=5161862169&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

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Posted By: jamie

for whatever it's worth, the certification number in the picture matches the psa database. this of course only guarantees it's not a doctored scan.

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Posted By: Judge Dred

I wonder if the person that contacted you is an underbidder or someone who is thinking about bidding on the item.

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Posted By: Glenn

It's not another current bidder, unless he's using a separate usernames for emailing and bidding, but I guess it could be someone with a snipe set up.

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

I guess it could be someone with a legitimate Ruth card in a slab...

but with the REPRINT laying on TOP of the slab while being scanned...

so it very well could be a rip off artist. I just can't tell from the crappy scans.

Surely PSA did not slab a reprint!

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Posted By: Glenn

Below is the full text of the email I received. I probably should have posted this initially.

Dear darwinbulldog,

Hi, The PSA2 '33 Goudey Ruth (149) you're bidding on is a gelasso reprint lodged in a semi-cracked PSA case. Just thought you should know.

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Posted By: Paul

I've seen a few Ruth 149's with the same staining on them on Ebay over the past year. Based on that, the slabbed ruth is very suspicious to me.

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Posted By: Paul

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86847&item=5160747871&rd=1


See the spots on his hand. Similar to the slabbed ruth. Go to Ebay's advanced search & choose completed items. Search for Ruth 149, & you will see a couple other cards with the same stains.

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Posted By: Glenn

Interesting. Any chance this particular staining pattern is a printing problem or some other factory flaw that appears on many of the authentic #149s, or should I conclude that the current seller stole the image from the previous listing and did a little Photoshop work?

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Posted By: Paul

Here's another one that's an "inn find", from a seller with zero feedback. I don't collect many Goudey's, but my first instinct is to stay away from these "stained" 149's.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86847&item=5161019582&rd=1

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Posted By: andy becker

check his other items for sale and his feedback (the items, not the actual feedback).

here's a blurb from a 1963 rose that he sold:

"Up for Auction are three vintage baseball cards. Six or seven years ago a sports card shop was going out of business in my town and I knew these were valuable cards. The lady who ran the shop was selling the cards at a fraction of what they were worth. Her husband was the orginal owner of the shop and died, so she was just trying to get rid of the cards. The shop had a lot of old cards and I bought quite a few. They will be up for auction soon."

to me, sounds like variations of the "trunk in the attic" story.

could be real, but there are other psa 2 ruth's i'd rather take my chances on.
regards

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Posted By: dan mckee

Front looks NO GOOD to me, though if it is slabbed, it is as good as real because idiots buying slabbed cards will believe it!

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Posted By: Scott Forrest

I sent him a link to this auction: 5161019582

"There is no absolute proof that the Ruth is a fake. The other seller could have been using the picture before my card was even graded. The Ruth is enclosed in PSA casing with seal and all. I still honestly believe the card to be authentic and I plan on coversing with a professional grader soon.

Although I have a feeling of regret when I say this; I have to thank you. I cancelled the auction. I can't sell a card a claim it to be real, unless I am a hundred percent certain."

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Posted By: Scott Forrest

This was a forgery, not a reprint - the forgeries were made from a scan of a real card, which is why most have the same stain pattern. Gath Feldman was selling them and probably made them himself. I was too cheap to shell out the $70 or so it would have cost to get one in my hands. Garth sold them as copies, emphasizing that no one could tell them from the real thing. As predicted, they are slowly finding their way back into the market as "real". This guy, or whoever he bought it from, probably got the serial number from a real ebay auction and made a fake label that looked "good" enough in a fuzzy digital picture.

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Posted By: Glenn Scheyd

Thanks everyone, especially Scott. I have received an email of the item's cancellation, and I shall be a bit more careful in the future.

Glenn