MLB wants Dodgers(Ohtani) vs Yankees(Judge) - NFL/Goodell helped the Chiefs

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by jingram058

Because of the insane money that mere mortals can't even comprehend, and now legalized gambling on every sport, do you seriously think it's not fixed? Forget the Black Sox, Hal Chase and Pete Rose. That's ancient kiddie stuff. It was pre-determined that KC was going to the Super Bowl, and they will win it. Again. They are the NFL's poster boys. Just like the Dodgers in baseball. Once it's fixed, and it clearly is, nothing can stop it. Too much money.

The Allen first down was egregious. That call wouldn’t have gone against the Chiefs if it were the other way. Fact.

[Shoeless Moe]

The Jomboy breakdown of both first downs....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs-L3jODWdE

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

all of you conspiracy theorists and yet nobody has explained to me why the other owners go along with it. You do all realize that the "NFL" and "MLB" is made up of the owners and that the "League" including the commissioners serve at the owner's pleasure.

So explain to me really slowly what super competitive alpha male agrees to let some team besides his win the championship every year. Oh and you basically have to convince ALL of them because if you don't one of them will blow the whistle.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

all of you conspiracy theorists and yet nobody has explained to me why the other owners go along with it. You do all realize that the "NFL" and "MLB" is made up of the owners and that the "League" including the commissioners serve at the owner's pleasure.

So explain to me really slowly what super competitive alpha male agrees to let some team besides his win the championship every year. Oh and you basically have to convince ALL of them because if you don't one of them will blow the whistle.

Private deals are routinely brokered by Goodell and certain owners on many issues. Naive to think otherwise in my opinion.

[D. Bergin]

NFL, like the NBA protects it's "Stars". In the NFL, that essentially boils down to about 3 or 4 veteran QB's a year that get special treatment.

That's essentially the long and the short of it.

I'm a little jealous because the Giants haven't had that type of protected QB in like.....well......ever.

Even Eli never really got any special treatment. Peyton certainly did, but not Eli.

Mahomes, let's be honest, has gotten really good at baiting the refs. I think he's been watching a lot of James Harden footage lately.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Private deals are routinely brokered by Goodell and certain owners on many issues. Naive to think otherwise in my opinion.

So you're saying Goodell made some kind of deal with the Chiefs owner to make sure calls always go their way and none of the other owners have figured it out?

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

NFL, like the NBA protects it's "Stars". In the NFL, that essentially boils down to about 3 or 4 veteran QB's a year that get special treatment.

That's essentially the long and the short of it.

I'm a little jealous because the Giants haven't had that type of protected QB in like.....well......ever.

Even Eli never really got any special treatment. Peyton certainly did, but not Eli.

Mahomes, let's be honest, has gotten really good at baiting the refs. I think he's been watching a lot of James Harden footage lately.

There's a pretty big difference between saying certain players tend to get favorable calls (which is true in all sports) and saying that the leagues are fixing games to make sure certain teams win championships.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by jayshum

There's a pretty big difference between saying certain players tend to get favorable calls (which is true in all sports) and saying that the leagues are fixing games to make sure certain teams win championships.

Agree

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by jayshum

So you're saying Goodell made some kind of deal with the Chiefs owner to make sure calls always go their way and none of the other owners have figured it out?

I think it can be made clear to refs in direct and indirect ways that many millions of not billions are at stake and when in doubt, no first down for the chiefs opponent.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Carter08

I think it can be made clear to refs in direct and indirect ways that many millions of not billions are at stake and when in doubt, no first down for the chiefs opponent.

What billions, and to whom? How are the league as an entity (and again, in reality it's not even it's own entity, it's an extension of the owners) and the uninvolved owners in particular going to make more money off of one result than another? If you're claiming organized crime, that's a lot different than saying "the league." though I'm not sure I buy that either.

I don't buy legalized gambling as the villain because they don't make their money on outcomes they make it on the line. They're not trying to "score" they just want their juice. Lines don't change because the book decides that they suddenly like one team more, they change to try and get the money wagered even on both teams, because then the profit is assured.

It's the same question I ask for any conspiracy theory. How do the people you're accusing benefit? At least if you're saying crime you have an answer for me.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

What billions, and to whom? How are the league as an entity (and again, in reality it's not even it's own entity, it's an extension of the owners) and the uninvolved owners in particular going to make more money off of one result than another? If you're claiming organized crime, that's a lot different than saying "the league." though I'm not sure I buy that either.

I don't buy legalized gambling as the villain because they don't make their money on outcomes they make it on the line. They're not trying to "score" they just want their juice. Lines don't change because the book decides that they suddenly like one team more, they change to try and get the money wagered even on both teams, because then the profit is assured.

It's the same question I ask for any conspiracy theory. How do the people you're accusing benefit? At least if you're saying crime you have an answer for me.

Mahomes is the face of the NFL. Good for the brand to keep him in. More importantly, the Chiefs bring with them an army of Swift fans that otherwise don’t care about football. They would not tune in for the Bills.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Mahomes is the face of the NFL. Good for the brand to keep him in. More importantly, the Chiefs bring with them an army of Swift fans that otherwise don’t care about football. They would not tune in for the Bills.

The Super Bowl is the most watched broadcast on television every year regardless of who plays in it.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Mahomes is the face of the NFL. Good for the brand to keep him in. More importantly, the Chiefs bring with them an army of Swift fans that otherwise don’t care about football. They would not tune in for the Bills.

Jeez.

#1. Don't you think the NFL would want another very marketable QB in the mix to generate excitement? Josh Allen ticks literally all the boxes, for who you want to represent the NFL from a marketing standpoint.

#2. You overestimate the influence Taylor Swift has on the economics of football, or anything else outside of loud internet chatter. Sure, they use her as a marketing tool, as they would any celebrity...but deciding games? C'mon!

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Mahomes is the face of the NFL. Good for the brand to keep him in. More importantly, the Chiefs bring with them an army of Swift fans that otherwise don’t care about football. They would not tune in for the Bills.

This literally doesn't explain how anyone makes more money.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

This literally doesn't explain how anyone makes more money.

Higher viewership, higher merchandise sales. Advertisers understand that the Chiefs bring with them an army. If you think Swift does not add hundreds of millions of dollars to the enterprise, you underestimate her global significance.

[Carter08]

In the last 11 playoff games the chiefs opponent has been flagged more 11 times. Better coaching I guess. Nothing to see. If you watched the Texans and Bills game it didn’t pass the eye test.

[packs]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Higher viewership, higher merchandise sales. Advertisers understand that the Chiefs bring with them an army. If you think Swift does not add hundreds of millions of dollars to the enterprise, you underestimate her global significance.

How global is the Super Bowl?

The most watched Super Bowl in history (pre-streaming) was the 2015 Patriots / Seahawks Super Bowl. Katy Perry was the star of the halftime show. The quality of the game determined that more people tuned in as the game went on. Imagine that.

[G1911]

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/...bdc0a2930d6129

Pick your source, the media was running with this $331.5 million only from September 2023 to January 2024 alone. She brings a ton of eyes and money. There is a very long history of the biggest players and teams getting more lenient officiating in sports, leading to more wins and better outcomes for them. I would be quite surprised if the NFL right now is a sudden exception to that.

[Carter08]

When Greg and I agree on an issue that makes it an unassailable position, almost by definition!

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

all of you conspiracy theorists and yet nobody has explained to me why the other owners go along with it. You do all realize that the "NFL" and "MLB" is made up of the owners and that the "League" including the commissioners serve at the owner's pleasure.

So explain to me really slowly what super competitive alpha male agrees to let some team besides his win the championship every year. Oh and you basically have to convince ALL of them because if you don't one of them will blow the whistle.

All it takes is massive amounts of money.

[packs]

That ignores all other revenue generating story lines. If the Bills made it to the Super Bowl it would bring a ton of eyes. Who wouldn't want to see the Bills either finally win or pitifully lose a fifth Super Bowl?

I do agree that exceptional players get the benefit of a lot of doubts. An umpire might call a strike on a rookie they wouldn't call if Aaron Judge were at the plate, for example. But league-wide collusion to alter the outcomes of games at the executive level seems farfetched.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

all of you conspiracy theorists and yet nobody has explained to me why the other owners go along with it. You do all realize that the "NFL" and "MLB" is made up of the owners and that the "League" including the commissioners serve at the owner's pleasure.

So explain to me really slowly what super competitive alpha male agrees to let some team besides his win the championship every year. Oh and you basically have to convince ALL of them because if you don't one of them will blow the whistle.

Why do you think the owners are in it, it's all Goodell. Pretty simple.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by jayshum

The Super Bowl is the most watched broadcast on television every year regardless of who plays in it.

It is, but a lot more with the Swifties.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Carter08

In the last 11 playoff games the chiefs opponent has been flagged more 11 times. Better coaching I guess. Nothing to see. If you watched the Texans and Bills game it didn’t pass the eye test.

It happened last year too if you go back and watch those games.....the other times the Chiefs made it they made it there cleanly, but the last 2 Super Bowl visits are highly questionable.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by packs

That ignores all other revenue generating story lines. If the Bills made it to the Super Bowl it would bring a ton of eyes. Who wouldn't want to see the Bills either finally win or pitifully lose a fifth Super Bowl?

I do agree that exceptional players get the benefit of a lot of doubts. An umpire might call a strike on a rookie they wouldn't call if Aaron Judge were at the plate, for example. But league-wide collusion to alter the outcomes of games at the executive level seems farfetched.

This is true for Guys. But for female viewship it's all about the Chiefs and Kelce and the Tramp.

And no league wide collusion, not sure who started that. This is all Goodell, he is a crook. He is money & power happy. He wants the most watched most money generated SB's while it's under his helm.

[Section103]

Never mind that so much of this makes absolutely no sense at all (gambling? wouldnt Vegas DO BETTER by having the Chiefs LOSE??), so lets put that aside.

Whats the damn point of all of this? SURELY if you believe its fixed you arent watching the NFL now or ever again, right? I mean, my god, what a colossal waste of time. So if you arent watching, how is it you can recount all of the injustices? Why would you care? I dont see anyone giving us WWE updates.

And further, why talk about it at all? Yall just trying to help us see the light? Thanks? But like many things in life, you may find that nobody GAF what other people think.

Nope. This is just the 2025 contortion of bitching about teams/outcomes we/you dont like and pretending to put some sort of intellectual hat on it.

[D. Bergin]

I hope all you fella's were equally up in arms when Brady was getting the star treatment......or was the Gisele's fault?

People thinking Taylor Swift fandom is determining the outcome of games is just bonkers to me.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Section103

Never mind that so much of this makes absolutely no sense at all (gambling? wouldnt Vegas DO BETTER by having the Chiefs LOSE??), so lets put that aside.

Whats the damn point of all of this? SURELY if you believe its fixed you arent watching the NFL now or ever again, right? I mean, my god, what a colossal waste of time. So if you arent watching, how is it you can recount all of the injustices? Why would you care? I dont see anyone giving us WWE updates.

And further, why talk about it at all? Yall just trying to help us see the light? Thanks? But like many things in life, you may find that nobody GAF what other people think.

Nope. This is just the 2025 contortion of bitching about teams/outcomes we/you dont like and pretending to put some sort of intellectual hat on it.

I didn’t bring gambling into it but Vegas benefitted from the Chiefs win. More money was on the Bills with a higher payout.

[Section103]

Originally Posted by Carter08

I didn’t bring gambling into it but Vegas benefitted from the Chiefs win. More money was on the Bills with a higher payout.

And was that the case for every Chiefs game or can we conclude that there is no strong correlation between Vegas' position and the Chiefs outcome?

[Shoeless Moe]

Listen to Burr on Rich Eisen, he pretty much nails it....

start at about 15:52

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvFA5N9muBI

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Section103

And was that the case for every Chiefs game or can we conclude that there is no strong correlation between Vegas' position and the Chiefs outcome?

That is far from the case on every Chiefs game. More money was wagered on the Bills. Usually, but not always, more money is wagered on the chiefs. The books typically try to balance the money out but in this game they took in heavier bets on the Bills.

[Section103]

We've all heard the storyline plenty of times. Im not interested in leftovers. Im trying to have a conversation, apparently, with people who cant/wont answer questions. Im good here.

[Section103]

Originally Posted by Carter08

That is far from the case on every Chiefs game. More money was wagered on the Bills. Usually, but not always, more money is wagered on the chiefs. The books typically try to balance the money out but in this game they took in heavier bets on the Bills.

So then we agree that the Vegas angle is nonsensical? Cool.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Section103

So then we agree that the Vegas angle is nonsensical? Cool.

Gambling never impacts sports. Run with that lol.

[Shoeless Moe]

I think some of you are completely missing it. This has NOTHING to do with Gambling and Vegas.

Don't you all recall when Swift and Kelce first became an item and she showed up at a Chiefs game, then another, then another, and as this happened, it get every NON-Guy interested in Football.

Goodell saw this OBVIOUSLY, the Chiefs and the Swift thing were nearly doubling viewership and he knew the Chiefs were the team going to last years Super Bowl and again this year. With females interested in football you nearly doubled every source of income.

I know a girl, she's about 40, never cared about football. Last year she bought a Chiefs jersey and sewed Swift over the name on the back of it. She watched "Chiefs" games religiously week and week and the SB. She never watched a minute of footballl in her previious 39 years on this planet.

She is just an example of what happened and Goodell, hell call him smart, but I prefer power hungry and money hungry saw his meal ticket = the Chiefs to make the SB, the game itself as was last years will be clean, this was all about helping the Chiefs get there by the NFL once they're there, they've done their part. SB is clean.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Section103

So then we agree that the Vegas angle is nonsensical? Cool.

100% agree.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

I think so of you are completely missing it. This has NOTHING to do with Gambling and Vegas.

Don't you all recall when Swift and Kelce first became an item and she showed up at a Chiefs game, then another, then another, and as this happened, it get every NON-Guy interested in Football.

Goodell saw this OBVIOUSLY and knew the Chiefs were the team going to last years Super Bowl and again this year. With females interested in football you nearly doubled every source of income.

I know a girl, she's about 40, never cared about football. Last year she bought a Chiefs jersey and sewed Swift over the name on the back of it. She watched "Chiefs" games religiously week and week and the SB. She never watched a minute of footballl in her previious 39 years on this planet.

She is just an example of what happened and Goodell, hell call him smart, but I prefer power hungry and money hungry saw his meal ticket = the Chiefs to make the SB, the game itself as was last years will be clean, this was all about helping the Chiefs get there by the NFL once they're there, they've done their part. SB is clean.

Couldn’t agree more.

[Section103]

Originally Posted by Carter08

That is far from the case on every Chiefs game. More money was wagered on the Bills. Usually, but not always, more money is wagered on the chiefs. The books typically try to balance the money out but in this game they took in heavier bets on the Bills.

Originally Posted by Carter08

Gambling never impacts sports. Run with that lol.

Im with you completely. Just please explain how Vegas is involved in making sure that the Chiefs when when....as you said...the Chiefs almost always had more money wagered on them.

Or just come up with some dismissive snippet pretending to be intellectual again.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Section103

Im with you completely. Just please explain how Vegas is involved in making sure that the Chiefs when when....as you said...the Chiefs almost always had more money wagered on them.

Or just come up with some dismissive snippet pretending to be intellectual again.

Someone should start their own thread on this being about gambling. Has nothing to do with gambling.

Focus people.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Section103

Im with you completely. Just please explain how Vegas is involved in making sure that the Chiefs when when....as you said...the Chiefs almost always had more money wagered on them.

Or just come up with some dismissive snippet pretending to be intellectual again.

I said I didn’t bring gambling into this. You did, with verifiably false statements that I addressed.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Carter08

When Greg and I agree on an issue that makes it an unassailable position, almost by definition!

I laughed lol. This is the definition

[Section103]

Man this is tough. Do you believe Vegas is involved in the fixing of Chiefs games or no? Simple yes or no question.

I did not bring up gambling, someone else did earlier in the thread. You responded. I proposed that the idea was non-sensical, you retorted with a single example in which it was not. Thanks. My theory still stands. Moe agrees with me.

And I'll even give you a diversion. "Vegas" probably is involved in the fixing of games, in the sense that people do gamble and that leads to corruption that we've already seen. But that has absolutely nothing to do with the NFL unless you'd like to offer up your own theory there.

And yet still neither one of you has even gone so far as to confess to no longer watching games or explaining why you do.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by G1911

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/...bdc0a2930d6129

Pick your source, the media was running with this $331.5 million only from September 2023 to January 2024 alone. She brings a ton of eyes and money. There is a very long history of the biggest players and teams getting more lenient officiating in sports, leading to more wins and better outcomes for them. I would be quite surprised if the NFL right now is a sudden exception to that.

I missed clicking the link but now have and here is a good factoid:


How much money has Taylor Swift made for the NFL?
Swift attended her first Chiefs game of 2023 on Sept. 24. Since then, she's attended 12 games total, including the AFC championship. The Super Bowl will be her 13th game, which, if you know the 14-time Grammy winner, couldn't be more fitting.

Ahead of the Chiefs' AFC title win over the Ravens on Jan. 28, Apex Marketing Group calculated how much brand value Swift has generated for the league and the Kansas City-based franchise. The revenue added by the singer came out to an estimated $331.5 million between print, digital, radio, TV, highlights and social media, according to Front Office Sports.

[D. Bergin]

Damn, Mahomes been getting calls long before Swifties showed up!

Same way Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and a few select others have been the favored sons of the league at different points in time.

I'll be rooting for the Eagles and Saquon to get a ring, and I'll probably yell at the TV whenever the Chiefs get a call to go in their favor...but blaming it on Goodell having some sort of Satanic Pact with Swifties, is super silly at best.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Section103

Man this is tough. Do you believe Vegas is involved in the fixing of Chiefs games or no? Simple yes or no question.

I did not bring up gambling, someone else did earlier in the thread. You responded. I proposed that the idea was non-sensical, you retorted with a single example in which it was not. Thanks. My theory still stands. Moe agrees with me.

And I'll even give you a diversion. "Vegas" probably is involved in the fixing of games, in the sense that people do gamble and that leads to corruption that we've already seen. But that has absolutely nothing to do with the NFL unless you'd like to offer up your own theory there.

And yet still neither one of you has even gone so far as to confess to no longer watching games or explaining why you do.

I won't be watching the Super Bowl, only exception would be if I were to be at a party, but since not planning to go to one at this moment, I'm boycotting the SB and will watch something else. Hopefully Hockey is on but guessing prob not, then I'll watch a few episodes of the Sopranos. My boycott means nothing to anyone or the NFL, but I will like having known I didn't give Goodell a second of my time that day. Again he could give 2 shits.

It's like watching a pre-arranged marriage, just aint the same

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Section103

Man this is tough. Do you believe Vegas is involved in the fixing of Chiefs games or no? Simple yes or no question.

I did not bring up gambling, someone else did earlier in the thread. You responded. I proposed that the idea was non-sensical, you retorted with a single example in which it was not. Thanks. My theory still stands. Moe agrees with me.

And I'll even give you a diversion. "Vegas" probably is involved in the fixing of games, in the sense that people do gamble and that leads to corruption that we've already seen. But that has absolutely nothing to do with the NFL unless you'd like to offer up your own theory there.

And yet still neither one of you has even gone so far as to confess to no longer watching games or explaining why you do.

I don’t think gambling played a role in the outcome of the Chiefs-Texans or Chiefs-Bills game. I won’t be watching the Super Bowl this year. The NFL doesn’t care, nor should it. There are millions of Swift fans that will more than replace the people that are fed up.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Damn, Mahomes been getting calls long before Swifties showed up!

Same way Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and a few select others have been the favored sons of the league at different points in time.

I'll be rooting for the Eagles and Saquon to get a ring, and I'll probably yell at the TV whenever the Chiefs get a call to go in their favor...but blaming it on Goodell having some sort of Satanic Pact with Swifties, is super silly at best.

I agree with you in terms of the bigger star getting the benefit of the doubt. Jordan got it against the Jazz and just about everyone else, Brady got it against everyone. The combination of Mahomes and the Swift angle has made the calls going the Chiefs way seem to stand out more. Almost like they’ve decided they’re not going to bother to try to hide it better. Could the Bills have come out of that game with a win? Sure, and shame on them for not destroying the Chiefs. But if there were going to be any close calls they were going to go against them. Hence you get a first down that wasn’t called (they got it twice), a ball hitting the ground ruled a catch, etc. The Texans game was more egregious so maybe they did try to hide it better. Progress.

[Section103]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

I missed clicking the link but now have and here is a good factoid:


How much money has Taylor Swift made for the NFL?
Swift attended her first Chiefs game of 2023 on Sept. 24. Since then, she's attended 12 games total, including the AFC championship. The Super Bowl will be her 13th game, which, if you know the 14-time Grammy winner, couldn't be more fitting.

Ahead of the Chiefs' AFC title win over the Ravens on Jan. 28, Apex Marketing Group calculated how much brand value Swift has generated for the league and the Kansas City-based franchise. The revenue added by the singer came out to an estimated $331.5 million between print, digital, radio, TV, highlights and social media, according to Front Office Sports.

Something seems fishy and frankly I doubt BOTH sets of numbers. Forbes says the Chiefs revenue was $591M for 2023. Even if you spread Swift's impact over 2 years......that's remarkably significant.

https://www.forbes.com/teams/kansas-city-chiefs/

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Why do you think the owners are in it, it's all Goodell. Pretty simple.

Because Goodell is the owners' lackey, not the other way around. There is no all-powerful "League." This mysterious force that somehow makes more money if Taylor swift sells more Travis Kelce Jerseys. There is a group of owners who hire some dude to protect their interests.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Section103

Something seems fishy and frankly I doubt BOTH sets of numbers. Forbes says the Chiefs revenue was $591M for 2023. Even if you spread Swift's impact over 2 years......that's remarkably significant.

https://www.forbes.com/teams/kansas-city-chiefs/

yah why believe Forbes, they've only been around since 1917.