Faith in 'Upstream' Authenticators?

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Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Where did you pull this out of, Mr. expert? I'll tell you where--you pulled it all out of your butt, that's where. Let's see your proof, or even some evidence to show you might be right. And sorry, isolated examples here and there don't cut it, they actually are just the exceptions to prove the rule that 99+% of the time, the TPAs know what they're doing and get it right. As to the big scandal, OMG, SGC passed 12 bad T206s and it killed them, to which I say BFD, 12 out of how many thousands and thousands they and the others got right. Oh, gosh, they're not perfect, the sky is falling, and I guess you've never made mistakes on YOUR job. For all this trolling, assuming you are an actual collector, do you really want to go back to the wild west days pre-TPAs? I didn't think so, and neither do all the real collectors who rely on them when their hard-earned cash is at stake and rightly so. Money talks, bullshit walks, and it's time for you to take a hike.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showpo...1&postcount=49 That's from 3 years ago. Add Lionel Messi to the list. Were the Luka's signed by his mom? Still up for debate, but it looks like he's changed his signature to match since then.

Add the counterfeit Harper, Mays, Manning, etc., cards that both the card and autograph are real, with fake stamps that have also been slabbed as both the card and auto authentic.

I actually still use PSA/DNA for autograph authentication, but mainly on sigs I know are good, since I bought them directly from the sketch artist themselves. I want them to be honest about their accuracy, and refund people when they get duped.

My job is to protect servicemembers when they're flying in their combat aircraft. I advocate for more resources on the regular to allow my teams to do a better job of protecting them from incoming missiles. Not sure how much that has to do with whether or not PSA or JSA can identify counterfeit autographs or not.

Many of the companies allow you to get a "witnessed" auto authentication just by providing a copy of the purchase ticket from the same show they're sitting at down the hall. Are those autos that are given to them all signed by the autograph signer at the show? Most are, but some are pocketed and used to pass off fakes, then send in the real autos paid for at a later time to get certed. Does this "witnessed" actually mean anything? It seems like you'd rather shut down the conversation than have an actual debate.