Which Jackie would you buy?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Was Jackie a known double print? On some of the cards in the thread the image rides up to the right in comparison to the top edge, yet at the bottom border the image and the edge are perfectly parallel. So the image just isn't square. On other pictures it's perfectly square, all sides of the image are parallel to each other. This CAN'T be a cut issue as it's the actual picture of Jackie that's not square, nothing to do with the shape of the card.

EDIT: I just looked more closely, all of the diagonal cut images also have the dot in the upper right corner of the tooling too. Must be a double print like the Mantle.

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

From my calculations there's only 51 total 8's graded PSA & SGC. Not a lot to choose from. And I'm always fascinated at previous grades by both as far as consistency goes. Here's some other 8's I was able to find. Seems the two up now are in line with these others....what do you think?

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by ajjohnsonsoxfan

From my calculations there's only 51 total 8's graded PSA & SGC. Not a lot to choose from. And I'm always fascinated at previous grades by both as far as consistency goes. Here's some other 8's I was able to find. Seems the two up now are in line with these others....what do you think?

The only copy that would have a snowball's chance in hell at receiving an 8 again today is cert 24675072. All of the others would regrade as Altered or come back in lower grades.

In fact one of these copies you posted was recently purchased by one of Brady Hill's friends. I told the buyer that it was most certainly trimmed and that he should reach out to PSA and file a claim because if that slab were to get damaged somehow, he'd be out the money and that it was risky to hold onto it. Brady then lashed out at me, calling me an idiot, telling me I didn't know what I was talking about, etc. Told me how he had over 100 of these in the past and that he knows the card so well and that I'm an idiot. I told his friend to believe whoever he wanted but that I wasn't guessing on this card and that I was 100% confident and that Brady doesn't know what he's talking about (as clearly evidenced by the countless trimmed cards in his own collection). Fortunately, his buddy did reach out to PSA and had them review the card. They agreed with me and are now cutting him a check. Crickets from Brady though, of course.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Was Jackie a known double print? On some of the cards in the thread the image rides up to the right in comparison to the top edge, yet at the bottom border the image and the edge are perfectly parallel. So the image just isn't square. On other pictures it's perfectly square, all sides of the image are parallel to each other. This CAN'T be a cut issue as it's the actual picture of Jackie that's not square, nothing to do with the shape of the card.

EDIT: I just looked more closely, all of the diagonal cut images also have the dot in the upper right corner of the tooling too. Must be a double print like the Mantle.

Yes, cards 311 (Mantle), 312 (Jackie), and 313 (Bobby Thompson) were all double printed. Everyone knows about the Mantle, but not many know about the Jackie. See my post above showing the differences between the Type 1 and Type 2 Jackies. The central images (black borders) are out of square, as you mentioned, but it is more pronounced on the Type 1. This is actually one of the easiest ways to spot a trimmed 52 Topps Jackie. Some of the trimmers didn't know that the image itself was out of square, so they would trim the top edge parallel to the black border thinking they were correcting a diamond cut, when in actuality, they were creating one.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Yes, cards 311 (Mantle), 312 (Jackie), and 313 (Bobby Thompson) were all double printed. Everyone knows about the Mantle, but not many know about the Jackie. See my post above showing the differences between the Type 1 and Type 2 Jackies. The central images (black borders) are out of square, as you mentioned, but it is more pronounced on the Type 1. This is actually one of the easiest ways to spot a trimmed 52 Topps Jackie. Some of the trimmers didn't know that the image itself was out of square, so they would trim the top edge parallel to the black border thinking they were correcting a diamond cut, when in actuality, they were creating one.

I actually noticed one of those in the thread. They trimmed the top edge square to the image, but left the bottom edge so now it's an irregular trapezoid. Of course it's in a slab so I guess it doesn't matter

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I actually noticed one of those in the thread. They trimmed the top edge square to the image, but left the bottom edge so now it's an irregular trapezoid. Of course it's in a slab so I guess it doesn't matter

Jackiesandjordans claim is every one is crooked on the top. Guessing he would know

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Jackiesandjordans claim is every one is crooked on the top. Guessing he would know

They SHOULD be, but 02023137 the card edge and the image edge are perfectly parallel, and the bottom edge of the card is parallel to the case, however the top edge is NOT parallel to the case. Seems a clear case of someone squaring up the cut to the image not realizing that they now have an impossible shape. Bottom is square to the sides but the top edge runs up hill (to match the image) in comparison to the bottom edge (and the PSA Slab)

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

They SHOULD be, but 02023137 the card edge and the image edge are perfectly parallel, and the bottom edge of the card is parallel to the case, however the top edge is NOT parallel to the case. Seems a clear case of someone squaring up the cut to the image not realizing that they now have an impossible shape. Bottom is square to the sides but the top edge runs up hill (to match the image) in comparison to the bottom edge (and the PSA Slab)

Yes, that is the one I was referring to when I said I informed the owner that his card was trimmed. He had PSA review it and if you look up the cert, it now shows it in an AA holder.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Yes, that is the one I was referring to when I said I informed the owner that his card was trimmed. He had PSA review it and if you look up the cert, it now shows it in an AA holder.

Good to know I haven't lost my mind (or my eye)

[Beercan collector]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Yes, that is the one I was referring to when I said I informed the owner that his card was trimmed. He had PSA review it and if you look up the cert, it now shows it in an AA holder.

Yikes that card once sold for $145,294.80

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Was Jackie a known double print? On some of the cards in the thread the image rides up to the right in comparison to the top edge, yet at the bottom border the image and the edge are perfectly parallel. So the image just isn't square. On other pictures it's perfectly square, all sides of the image are parallel to each other. This CAN'T be a cut issue as it's the actual picture of Jackie that's not square, nothing to do with the shape of the card.

EDIT: I just looked more closely, all of the diagonal cut images also have the dot in the upper right corner of the tooling too. Must be a double print like the Mantle.

Cards 311, 312 and 313 are all known double prints. To be best of my recollection, the sheets were 100 cards and since there were only 97 cards printed in the final series, they just started with 311-3 to finish off the sheet. So yes this is fairly well known amongst 52 collectors

Rich