1921 Herpolsheimers graded w/o mark

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by hammertime

I apologize in advance, I try to mostly lurk on this forum because just about everyone else on here is so much more knowledgeable than me, and I know you all have known each other for years and no one has a clue who I am, but an aspect of this discussion has really stuck in my craw. Brian you said the design looks like something from the 70s, "inspired by disco". Someone posted evidence the design existed several decades earlier, so clearly NOT inspired by disco. Now you're trying to use that as evidence the cards couldn't have been made in 1921? What? Talk about moving the goalposts. Even if the designs posted were from the 30s or 40s it doesn't mean they were all brand new, some could have been around for years before that, correct? The point of that being posted (I believe) was to establish the design existed well before the 70s. NOT that the design hadn't been around for even longer. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Andy,

I was told by the dealer that had these cards in his case at the Robert Morris Show in May 1999 that the cards were fake as he waived his hand over the case. He also said they were made in the 1970's. I looked at them, handled them and observed the backs which I thought look like they were made in the 1970's because they looked like disco dance floors.

Now, another member here trying to provide evidence the backs were real, provided the following link in post #240 yesterday at #921 a.m.

https://archive.org/details/LanstonM...e/n23/mode/2up

Just one little problem with the evidence:

A typographical specimen booklet containing borders and ornaments for casting on the Lanston Monotype Composition Caster, Lanston Monotype Type-Caster, Lanston Monotype Giant Caster and Monotype-Thompson Type-Caster. This booklet is from a Lanston Monotype specimen book (binder) bearing the general title "Monotype Type Faces." It is undated, but based on internal evidence elsewhere in the binder it is from the late 1930s or early 1940s.

So, let's review:

1.) The dealer at the Robert Morris Show said the cards were fake when we met in May 1999 and made in the 1970's. I reviewed the cards and I had a problem with the back design.

2.) From the link provided in post #240 yesterday:

It is undated, but based on internal evidence elsewhere in the binder it is from the late 1930s or early 1940s.


Now, these basic points and I have pointed out other ones are that the cards are fake. They were in 1999 and 2004 with the first batch and 2019 and this year with the second. Waiting on three times the charm, but that will not result in them being real.