T206 Doyle missing Dot after the Y in N.Y

[tedzan]

Sixteen years have transpired since I first started this Joe Doyle survey regarding this "Printer's Mark"......https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=87066

My data indicates indicates that 5.96 % of Doyle's are found with this printer's mark.



- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -^ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Printer's Mark - - - -^ (remnant of "N" in Nat'L)


418 unique samples


T-brand.............Mark.....No-Mark

Piedmont 350........15..........173

Sweet Cap 350.......5...........151

Polar Bear..............4............35

Old Mill..................1.............7

Sovereign 350.........0...........19

Tolstoi....................0.............6

EPDG.....................0.............2
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Totals.................. 25 ........ 393

25 - Joe Doyle cards with this Printer's Mark...... 25/418 = 5.96 %


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[JollyElm]

Nothing personal against anyone here, but can we stop with the herd mentality, please??? I'm sure there are plenty of people NOT commenting about how obvious this is, because they know the herd will then turn on them.

I even wrote a 'Collectorism' about this very issue:

383. Scantortionist
When a seller has obviously and deceptively photoshopped an image to make a card appear to be in much better shape than it really is, but an apologist jumps in to argue, “No, it’s just because of the scanner settings used.”


Let's do a little common sense Occam's Razoring on it.

What do you think is more likely?

1. A scanner setting just happened to accidentally remove the one specific thing that turns the card into a hugely valuable one.

2. A seller purposefully removed the one specific thing to turn the card into a hugely valuable one.


Since he didn't mention it being the 'missing dot' variation in the listing, he ensures he has plausible deniability. And, as for Photoshop, there is something called the 'clone tool' that would literally take a total of 2 seconds to remove the dot and match the now-empty space flawlessly to the background. Simplest thing in the world.


Edited to add:

As such...

doylenodotfake.jpg

(Literally took closer to one second than two to disappear the dot.)

[wazoo]

One time I purchased a George Browne t206 with a Piedmont “50” subjects instead of “150.” Thought I was on to something. Turns out the “1” didn’t show up on the scan. It happens.

[danmckee]

Very interesting read folks! I appreciate all of the insights. Bottom line is the seller NEVER responded to my question through ebay and ebay has finalized their decision by telling me I could relist it on their site. Problem with that is I would relist it showing both dots and would maybe get $45 of my $215 back.

Sadly no response from seller so I do not recommend him and will be leaving him bad feedback which I am sure he will be able to have removed for no good reason.

Thanks again everyone......

Dan Mckee

[Kidnapped18]

Scanners often remove dots from cards. Can't say whether this was intentional or not. Since it was not advertised as missing the dot it looks like you made a miscalculation and will just have to keep the card as is or eat whatever loss you may have upon reselling it if it sells for lower than what you paid. As Leon tells us Caveat Emptor.

[danmckee]

Originally Posted by Kidnapped18

Scanners often remove dots from cards. Can't say whether this was intentional or not. Since it was not advertised as missing the dot it looks like you made a miscalculation and will just have to keep the card as is or eat whatever loss you may have upon reselling it if it sells for lower than what you paid. As Leon tells us Caveat Emptor.

How did I make a "Miscalculation" ?

I clearly bought a card that is missing the dot after the "Y"

Not seeing any miscalculation there at all.......

[Leon]

He didn't make a miscalculation. He bought something that was significantly not as advertised (SNAD). Sort of the opposite of what you said, but carry on.

Originally Posted by Kidnapped18

Scanners often remove dots from cards. Can't say whether this was intentional or not. Since it was not advertised as missing the dot it looks like you made a miscalculation and will just have to keep the card as is or eat whatever loss you may have upon reselling it if it sells for lower than what you paid. As Leon tells us Caveat Emptor.

[danmckee]

Originally Posted by Leon

He didn't make a miscalculation. He bought something that was significantly not as advertised (SNAD). Sort of the opposite of what you said, but carry on.

TY Leon! I appreciate the clarification.

WOW! Less than 15 minutes my Neutral Feedback was removed so that seller is on top of this situation and at this point, I don't think he is being very honest.

NOT COOL by him.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Leon

He didn't make a miscalculation. He bought something that was significantly not as advertised (SNAD). Sort of the opposite of what you said, but carry on.

A little while back I miscalculated my SNAD and ended up in the hospital for almost a week.

Brian (I personally think a little dot stealing T206 gremlin mischieviously snatched it from the scan. No matter what the case, sorry Dan)

[RCFire82]

If it was purposefully done, that just reinforces my skepticism of partaking in "vintage breaks." (Imho)
Here's my print anomaly to fill in for the Nat'l version.

[Wildfireschulte]

The seller currently has a Marquard portrait listed - scan shows no dot after the Y

[RCFire82]

The plot thickens...

[danmckee]

Originally Posted by Wildfireschulte

The seller currently has a Marquard portrait listed - scan shows no dot after the Y

The RARE Marquard! I am buying!