SGC Delays

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by Yoda

The grade on the Sanella Ruth is a travesty. 10 years ago it would have received at least a 7,

Not with that staining.

[hockeyhockey]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

Submitting a small group today, will see if they stick to the 2 1/2 weeks turnaround. Prewar and vintage baseball primarily. Trent King

trent- they just dropped to $15 per card and are saying 5-10 day turnaround. interesting to see how that goes.

[JollyElm]

$15...and that's the regular, not bulk submission, rate? Wow!! And returned in days, not years?? SOLD!!! I guess we finally got the announcement we've been waiting for. Time to start packing stuff up to send out.

[joejo20]

My recent submission of a few prewar cards was very fast.

Received 8/18 and shipped 8/28

[JollyElm]

A bit off-topic, but when I send cards off to SGC, I would like to do one of those before and after 'blind reveal' videos you see on YouTube. (Unlike all of the other ones, mine, of course, will have the names of the old players pronounced correctly.) Knowing that anger is going to fly out of my mouth when I see the resulting (and unexpected) LOW ASS grades, I want the reactions to be unprompted.

• So the question is (I've never submitted to SGC before), am I able to NOT know what the grades are after they progress through SGC? In other words, is there a simple way to make sure that until I open the box at home, the grade numbers remain a mystery to me?

Thanks!

[ldrunner27]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

A bit off-topic, but when I send cards off to SGC, I would like to do one of those before and after 'blind reveal' videos you see on YouTube. (Unlike all of the other ones, mine, of course, will have the names of the old players pronounced correctly.) Knowing that anger is going to fly out of my mouth when I see the resulting (and unexpected) LOW ASS grades, I want the reactions to be unprompted.

• So the question is (I've never submitted to SGC before), am I able to NOT know what the grades are after they progress through SGC? In other words, is there a simple way to make sure that until I open the box at home, the grade numbers remain a mystery to me?

Thanks!

Just don't click on your order number if you don't want to see the grades once they're posted. They have a separate link for the tracking number that you can click on.

[53toppscollector]

On your order overview page, you can see where it is in the process, and then once it is shipped, you can see your tracking number. There is a separate tab for "Seller Ready Images" which shows you the front/back scan of every card after it is graded. Just avoid those, and you should be fine if you want it to be a blind reveal.

[JollyElm]

Thank you, guys!

[refz]

Submitted 8/19
Received 8/28
Delivered 9/5

Overall pleased with my order. I knew what I was getting for the most part, 2 surprises. One of my cards came back A minimum size not met. How do they measure these things now a days, machine?

[brunswickreeves]

Currently SGC 1-2 business day turn around is actually 1 day for review and grading, and shipped next day.

[TAFKADixie]

I mailed an order down on 8/21 and they shipped it out on 8/30.

I just sent another 30 down on 9/7.

[Snowman]

My most recent order was received 8/23 and shipped out 9/7, exactly 10 business days later. It included a mix of raw cards, reholders, and one crossover.

Here's one of the cards from the order

[ClementeFanOh]

Fellow collectors- on Sept 6 I wrote that I had shipped a 5 card group to
SGC, and would pay attention to a) return time and b) grading accuracy.
The results follow...

1) Grades were posted on SGC site yesterday, Sept 15th. That's 9 days
after they left my possession. They will be at my door by the 19th, a
13 day total turnaround at most.

2) I submitted 2 T206s that got exactly the grade I expected. The other 3
cards were 2 1976 Topps and an 81 Fleer Rickey Henderson "rookie".
I am more than pleased with the 8.5 the 76 Topps Mike Schmidt got,
and think they got Rickey right. The 5th card I thought would get a
point higher at most, I'm mildly bummed about it but not enraged.

All in all, I am very pleased- especially that they didn't hammer my
76 Topps/81 Fleer.

Trent King

[jimmer77]

My latest order was received by SGC in 9/7 and I received them back today 9/16.

[vthobby]

Originally Posted by jimmer77

My latest order was received by SGC in 9/7 and I received them back today 9/16.

To SGC that is a "delay" lol

To PSA it would be a Miracle and we all know miracles don't happen.....except in 1980 and that was pre-PSA!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Why is it the SGC cheerleaders studiously avoid responding to posts by people showing SGC misgraded their cards?

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Why is it the SGC cheerleaders studiously avoid responding to posts by people showing SGC misgraded their cards?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLyGbid4NdI&t=4s

[53toppscollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Why is it the SGC cheerleaders studiously avoid responding to posts by people showing SGC misgraded their cards?

these grading companies have literally graded millions of cards. they are always going to undergrade (or overgrade) a percentage of cards just based on volume. if you want perfection, you shouldnt grade cards. ive had lots of cards come back in what id consider "undergraded" and ive had a few come back graded higher than i thought they would. all in the game.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Why is it the SGC cheerleaders studiously avoid responding to posts by people showing SGC misgraded their cards?

Do you have an example?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 53toppscollector

these grading companies have literally graded millions of cards. they are always going to undergrade (or overgrade) a percentage of cards just based on volume. if you want perfection, you shouldnt grade cards. ive had lots of cards come back in what id consider "undergraded" and ive had a few come back graded higher than i thought they would. all in the game.

Thanks for the education. I am talking about entire orders being 2 grades (or more) too low. Not to mention hearing from many people they are having the same issue.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

Do you have an example?

The worst one in an entire order of undergraded vintage cards. The back is perfect, louped it many times.

[53toppscollector]

"2 grades too low" for a whole order is something i havent ever encountered.

its also pretty hard to post a card online and ask people to critique the grade when they cant actually see the card or the surface, because its a 2d scan.

all the grading companies make mistakes. ive seen lots of random youtube videos of someone getting a 4 or 5, cracking it and re-sending, and then getting a 7 or 8. it happens. but again, we are talking about insane volume, there will be mistakes. plenty of people also dont examine their own cards with a 30x loupe and check the surface for issues before sending.

i've probably graded 500-600 cards with PSA and 300-400 cards with SGC. ive had cards come back that look like they are too low or higher than i thought, but ive never had an order of 20 cards come back where every card is 2 grades off.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 53toppscollector

"2 grades too low" for a whole order is something i havent ever encountered.

its also pretty hard to post a card online and ask people to critique the grade when they cant actually see the card or the surface, because its a 2d scan.

all the grading companies make mistakes. ive seen lots of random youtube videos of someone getting a 4 or 5, cracking it and re-sending, and then getting a 7 or 8. it happens. but again, we are talking about insane volume, there will be mistakes. plenty of people also dont examine their own cards with a 30x loupe and check the surface for issues before sending.

i've probably graded 500-600 cards with PSA and 300-400 cards with SGC. ive had cards come back that look like they are too low or higher than i thought, but ive never had an order of 20 cards come back where every card is 2 grades off.

Yes, of course one would expect some deviances within any order, I would not have made my statement if that's all it was. As for the scan, I was asked to post it, I am not asking anyone to conclude anything. I think there were 35 cards in my order, all vintage. Nearly every one was 2 grades low. Nothing higher than 6 and I thought many would 8 or even 9 they were gorgeous cards.

[53toppscollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

As for the scan, I was asked to post it, I am not asking anyone to conclude anything.

this was you an hour ago

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Why is it the SGC cheerleaders studiously avoid responding to posts by people showing SGC misgraded their cards?

what do you want people to say? you seem to imply you expect people to bash SGC when someone posts a card that they feel is undergraded. how is it my place, or anyone's place, to criticize a grade of a card i dont have in hand and cant examine?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 53toppscollector

this was you an hour ago



what do you want people to say? you seem to imply you expect people to bash SGC when someone posts a card that they feel is undergraded. how is it my place, or anyone's place, to criticize a grade of a card i dont have in hand and cant examine?

When the people doing the complaining have a lot of hobby and grading experience and credibility, the scans just reinforce what they are saying. I think the cheerleaders here ignore anything negative -- including the removal of the guarantee and the fact that the owner and employees submit their own -- but whatever. You can have the last word.

[Lorewalker]

My experience has been the same with both SGC and PSA. It is precisely why I am not submitting nearly as much. Up until recently, snowman was experiencing the same thing and I think that clementefanoh had also alluded several times on his experiences with SGC being more harsh.

Grading standards have gotten much tougher with both companies recently. There are just too many hobbyists I speak with who echo these sentiments...these are the same people who from time to time would say there were certain cards within a sub they felt the grader was more harsh on. Now you are hearing the entire sub got hammered.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Why is it the SGC cheerleaders studiously avoid responding to posts by people showing SGC misgraded their cards?

Both PSA and SGC are fully capable of misgrading our cards, but if we're comparing the two against each other, SGC is far, far more accurate and consistent on a percentage of cards graded basis than PSA is. It's really not close.

However, if we're comparing either company to grades that cards received 20 years ago, then both have tightened up their grading standards as compared to the early days of grading. But PSA took it an additional step too far during the pandemic, and they have yet to course correct. That isn't the case with SGC. They're merely tighter than they were decades ago, but are still grading fairly accurately for the most part, in my experience. And I grade a lot of cards with both and keep good records.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

When the people doing the complaining have a lot of hobby and grading experience and credibility, the scans just reinforce what they are saying. I think the cheerleaders here ignore anything negative -- including the removal of the guarantee and the fact that the owner and employees submit their own -- but whatever. You can have the last word.

I'm not a fanboy of SGC per se, but I do think they do the best job currently, of any TPG.

The guarantee means nothing to me. And I think it's effectively just an empty promise with PSA anyhow. Nobody cares about altered cards. It is what it is. And if enough people did, all the TPGs would go bankrupt overnight if they had to pay out on them. PSA wants to keep up the facade and charges us all extra for this "service". SGC is at least being honest by getting rid of the program. The guarantee is what PSA uses to justify its upcharging campaign. And they are vicious about their upcharges. SGC almost never upcharges me, even when they clearly could. I'll take much cheaper grading fees and no guarantee all day over higher fees and an empty promise from PSA. To each their own.

Employees being able to have their cards graded at SGC doesn't bother me either. Nat Turner grades all his stuff with PSA. I grade my own raw cards when I post them on eBay. So does Greg Morris. At the end of the day, it's up to the buyers to determine what each card is worth to them. If something looks over- graded, it generally undersells. If it looks under-graded, it goes for a premium. The market largely corrects itself for most of this stuff anyhow.

[Peter_Spaeth]

To me, it's an obvious conflict of interest for the owner of a purportedly neutral third party grader to grade his own. The very reason TPG slabs sell for a premium over raw cards graded by the owner is that purported objectivity. You can't always tell from a scan if a card is overgraded, and of particular relevance and concern, if an altered card has been blessed.

[Vintagedeputy]

Sent out a 9 card sub to SGC:

Shipped to SGC 9/13/23
Received by SGC 9/18/23
Post-grading processing 9/21/23 (cert #’s assigned, no grades posted yet.)

Future update will be posted here.

[Kutcher55]

Originally Posted by Snowman

My most recent order was received 8/23 and shipped out 9/7, exactly 10 business days later. It included a mix of raw cards, reholders, and one crossover.

Here's one of the cards from the order

Epic card. Want it.

Anyways I am getting an 11 card order back from SGC on Monday. 14 days door to door.

[Vintagedeputy]

Update:

Sent out a 9 card sub to SGC:

Shipped to SGC 9/13/23
Received by SGC 9/18/23
Post-grading processing 9/21/23 (cert #’s assigned, no grades posted yet.
Images posted online with grades, shipped - 9/25/23

Very satisfied!

[JollyElm]

Update:

Sent to SGC: Wed. 9/20/23
Received by SGC: (late) Fri. 9/22/23
Returned to me: Mon. 10/02/23

Haven't looked at the cards yet, so I have no idea how 'satisfied' I'll be, but the turnaround time was absolute sweetness.

[Delray Vintage]

Grading was very fast they received 9/22, graded 9/27, had cards back 9/29.Grades were fair no surprises. Also impressed with quick customer service response via e-mail. Be real nice if they had drop off service since I live 10 minutes from their office.