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UKCardGuy 08-12-2023 04:06 AM

SGC Delays
 
I made my first SGC submission at the National on July 28th. It was a "take home" submission with a 5-10 day service expectation.

After 2 weeks, the only update that I have is that they received my cards.

I contacted customer service and I was told that they're having delays due to the volumes from the National and moving into their new HQ.

Anyone else experiencing delays at SGC?

I can handle delays but it's not great having no feedback about how long the delay is.

Gary G01db3rg

MuncieNolePAZ 08-12-2023 04:53 AM

I turned two cards in to SGC at National on 7/27 and they were graded yesterday. I’m got a shipping notice last night.

Thanks
Chad

ClementeFanOh 08-12-2023 12:13 PM

Sgc
 
Hi Gary (long time, no talk:)-

I'll come at this from another angle. I did not attend the National this time;
however, I did make a regular submission to SGC (less than 10 cards via
mailing), that happened to arrive at SGC the day before the National began.
I thought it would be an interesting test case, to see if my "normally
submitted" cards got a delay at SGC due to the National intake...

My SGC cards just arrived today. I shipped on July 20 and received on
August 12, a 22-day turnaround. My SGC submissions have consistently
been at a 17/18 day turnaround, so I basically saw a slowdown of 1 business
week. Personally I think that's pretty good, given the glut of cards they likely
took in when compared with the norm. I feared it would turn into a month
or longer delay, which I wouldn't have liked. All in all, not bad. I hope you
see a result next week.

Trent King

Republicaninmass 08-12-2023 01:38 PM

Yes, 2 people.must have subbed at the national

Sorry to hear

rman444 08-12-2023 03:26 PM

23 cards submitted on 7/26 at the show. Still waiting at "received" status.

UKCardGuy 08-12-2023 04:23 PM

Thanks guys. Hopefully I see some progress next week.

NATCARD 08-12-2023 05:40 PM

SGC orders
 
I sent in 2 orders on july 28th. Received on August 2nd and Graded on August 11th. Now in post grading processing. Not much if any delay on these. Jeff W

jethrod3 08-13-2023 12:17 AM

I also submitted on-site on July 28 and haven't heard anything, but I submitted items that need larger slabs. Plus, with the great customer service I received during the submission process, the show specials and the fact that I saved on shipping my stuff to them, I'm happy waiting a little longer.

UKCardGuy 08-18-2023 11:22 AM

Last week, I was told by SGC that my order should hit the grading queue this week. Well, at the end of the week...nothing. No update...no change in status.

I can handle a delay but I'm not comfortable with the complete lack of transparency. Anyone else still waiting for their National take home submission?

53toppscollector 08-18-2023 11:54 AM

Here are my last 2 submissions:

Submitted: 6/18, Received 6/21, Graded 6/29, Shipped 6/30
Submitted: 7/14, Received 7/18, Graded 8/2, Shipped 8/3

Just submitted a new order last night, shipping it out today.

Hopefully they can clear out their backlog quickly.

timn1 08-18-2023 11:58 AM

Understandable delay (at this point)
 
Yes, I am in the same boat with my national submissions of 40 cards. I woould expect some movement soon.

Peter_Spaeth 08-18-2023 12:07 PM

Patience used to be a virtue, no?

raulus 08-18-2023 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2365546)
Patience used to be a virtue, no?

I guess that's the whole point of submitting to SGC - patience is optional.

I'm still waiting on my PSA submission from early May. It's currently at the "grading" stage. I'm guessing I've got 2-3 months left.

Peter_Spaeth 08-18-2023 12:12 PM

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I guess. The point certainly isn't to get an accurate grade.

UKCardGuy 08-18-2023 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2365546)
Patience used to be a virtue, no?

Hmmm... I think I've been pretty darn patient. SGC offer a service and they market it as a 5 to 10 day turnaround. It's now been between 2x and 4x longer than the service they're marketing.

I've sent polite enquiries and I've been for the last 2 weeks that my order should be graded the week following. This hasn't been the case. At the same time, others have had their submissions received after mind but craded ahead of mine.

Today I was told that my "submission is waiting to be graded." That's neither helpful nor transparent. I'm pretty sure that all submissions are waiting to be graded. :mad: That doesn't fill me with confidence. I'm happy to give more time, but I do expect to receive clarity about where I am in the queue and a reasonablely accurate ETA.

Peter_Spaeth 08-18-2023 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy (Post 2365559)
Hmmm... I think I've been pretty darn patient. SGC offer a service and they market it as a 5 to 10 day turnaround. It's now been between 2x and 4x longer than the service they're marketing.

I've sent polite enquiries and I've been for the last 2 weeks that my order should be graded the week following. This hasn't been the case. At the same time, others have had their submissions received after mind but craded ahead of mine.

Today I was told that my "submission is waiting to be graded." That's neither helpful nor transparent. I'm pretty sure that all submissions are waiting to be graded. :mad: That doesn't fill me with confidence. I'm happy to give more time, but I do expect to receive clarity about where I am in the queue and a reasonablely accurate ETA.

That sounds like their response a few months back about some altered card that was called out that they would take whatever action was determined to be needed. :) The art of the truism.

BobbyStrawberry 08-18-2023 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2365560)
That sounds like their response a few months back about some altered card that was called out that they would take whatever action was determined to be needed. :) The art of the truism.

I think I'm going to start using that.... "can you take out the trash, dear?"

"I will take whatever action is determined to be needed"

Lorewalker 08-18-2023 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2365546)
Patience used to be a virtue, no?

And good things are worth waiting for...cept in the case of your Senna card. Wrinkle? Bend? Residue on the back? Screams 9 or 10. Perfect reason to not submit to SGC. See so much of that over the last 18 months or so.

As has been chatted about, PSA and SGC seem to be in a pissing contest over who can screw the submitter deeper. Then you look at stuff that we know was submitting by auction houses and the cards are graded more in line with acceptable standards. Swear these guys grade on a 1 to 5 scale for the common man when it comes to vintage.

Peter_Spaeth 08-18-2023 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry (Post 2365568)
I think I'm going to start using that.... "can you take out the trash, dear?"

"I will take whatever action is determined to be needed"

Completely circular and meaningless, but it made it sound like they were being responsive. A politician could not have done it better. By the way, no action was ever taken, but that's OK, because people just move on.

Peter_Spaeth 08-18-2023 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lorewalker (Post 2365571)
And good things are worth waiting for...cept in the case of your Senna card. Wrinkle? Bend? Residue on the back? Screams 9 or 10. Perfect reason to not submit to SGC. See so much of that over the last 18 months or so.

As has been chatted about, PSA and SGC seem to be in a pissing contest over who can screw the submitter deeper. Then you look at stuff that we know was submitting by auction houses and the cards are graded more in line with acceptable standards. Swear these guys grade on a 1 to 5 scale for the common man when it comes to vintage.

Chase, no wrinkle or bend and the back is perfectly clean. Indeed, funny you mention it but PSA also pissed on this card, but at least they gave it a 6 which at least conclusively rules out the wrinkle or bend possibility. IMO the kiddie graders they have hired see mostly perfect ultramodern and have no clue how to grade vintage. My whole SGC sub was badly undergraded.

Lorewalker 08-18-2023 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2365573)
Chase, no wrinkle or bend and the back is perfectly clean. Indeed, funny you mention it but PSA also pissed on this card, but at least they gave it a 6 which at least conclusively rules out the wrinkle or bend possibility. IMO the kiddie graders they have hired see mostly perfect ultramodern and have no clue how to grade vintage. My whole SGC sub was badly undergraded.

A 6 is even pathetic and I agree with the theory. 90% or more of what both companies are seeing has to be new stuff. They do not see it as an issue because cards keep coming in. It really needs to be addressed. This is where the human element in grading gets clouded--frame of reference.

prestigecollectibles 08-18-2023 03:01 PM

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Comment about the delays from SGC
https://twitter.com/sgcgrading/statu...32307964796928

JollyElm 08-18-2023 03:34 PM

Any idea what the announcements he referred to will be? Hope it's a bulk discount.

UKCardGuy 08-18-2023 03:46 PM

Thanks Robert.

vintagebaseballcardguy 08-18-2023 04:19 PM

My current submission (and first since 2019): Submitted 8/3, Received 8/8, Graded 8/17, and is now in post-grading processing. I was hoping the order would ship today, but I guess that didn't happen.

frohme 08-18-2023 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry (Post 2365568)
I think I'm going to start using that.... "can you take out the trash, dear?"

"I will take whatever action is determined to be needed"

I'd love to hear how well that works for you!

UKCardGuy 08-18-2023 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vintagebaseballcardguy (Post 2365635)
My current submission (and first since 2019): Submitted 8/3, Received 8/8, Graded 8/17, and is now in post-grading processing. I was hoping the order would ship today, but I guess that didn't happen.

My submission has progressed to Graded now. I've been told it should ship on Tuesday.

Received 7/28, Graded 8/18

Its only a 7 card submission. I can't wait to see the grades.

vintagebaseballcardguy 08-18-2023 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy (Post 2365656)
My submission has progressed to Graded now. I've been told it should ship on Tuesday.

Received 7/28, Graded 8/18

Its only a 7 card submission. I can't wait to see the grades.

Good luck with the results!

perezfan 08-18-2023 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy (Post 2365656)
My submission has progressed to Graded now. I've been told it should ship on Tuesday.

Received 7/28, Graded 8/18

Its only a 7 card submission. I can't wait to see the grades.

Show us the results in this thread when they arrive. Would be interested to see them... Thanks!

Lorewalker 08-18-2023 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JollyElm (Post 2365621)
Any idea what the announcements he referred to will be? Hope it's a bulk discount.

Almost every video he makes he alludes to announcements coming and how excited he is and to my knowledge he has never followed up with any announcements.

jethrod3 08-18-2023 11:42 PM

Just wondering...has anyone submitted items at the National and not received any communication at all yet?

UKCardGuy 08-25-2023 01:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 2365686)
Show us the results in this thread when they arrive. Would be interested to see them... Thanks!

I have them in hand today.

Received 7/28, Graded 8/18, Delivered 8/25

The cards look great in the SGC holders. Some of the grades seem a little harsh but reasonable.

I'm a little surprised by the grade on the 1932 Sanella Ruth though. The corners are sharp, the back is clean and there's no creases or surface damage that I can see. I was hoping for at least a 6.

gonefishin 08-25-2023 01:34 PM

Nice cards - congrats. They look great.

NATCARD 08-25-2023 02:20 PM

SGC order QUICK!
 
Order of 151 cards received on 8/17. Graded on 8/23. Shipped back to me today 8/25. Not sure if they could do this any faster! Jeff W

vintagebaseballcardguy 08-25-2023 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy (Post 2367527)
I have them in hand today.



Received 7/28, Graded 8/18, Delivered 8/25



The cards look great in the SGC holders. Some of the grades seem a little harsh but reasonable.



I'm a little surprised by the grade on the 1932 Sanella Ruth though. The corners are sharp, the back is clean and there's no creases or surface damage that I can see. I was hoping for at least a 6.

They all look great, especially those 55s!

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Jay Wolt 08-25-2023 05:29 PM

Gary the Babe Ruth & Nolan Ryan look much better then a "4"
How are the card backs?
Nice batch of cards

Vintagedeputy 08-25-2023 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy (Post 2367527)

I'm a little surprised by the grade on the 1932 Sanella Ruth though. The corners are sharp, the back is clean and there's no creases or surface damage that I can see. I was hoping for at least a 6.

Maybe its just my computer, but I feel like I see the slightest hint of a diamond cut. I may be wrong though.

perezfan 08-25-2023 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy (Post 2367527)
I have them in hand today.

Received 7/28, Graded 8/18, Delivered 8/25

The cards look great in the SGC holders. Some of the grades seem a little harsh but reasonable.

I'm a little surprised by the grade on the 1932 Sanella Ruth though. The corners are sharp, the back is clean and there's no creases or surface damage that I can see. I was hoping for at least a 6.

No creases on Jackie or Ryan either? If not, those two and the Sanella Ruth make little sense.

UKCardGuy 08-26-2023 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 2367684)
No creases on Jackie or Ryan either? If not, those two and the Sanella Ruth make little sense.

The Jackie has some staining on the back lower corner and there's a small wrinkle in the border of the Ryan. I missed that wrinkle on the Ryan before I submitted (Doh!). So those both seem fair.

The grade on the Sanella seems low. I can see now that the back isn't 100% perfect but a 4 still seems harsh.

perezfan 08-27-2023 01:37 AM

That makes more sense. Still perplexed about the Sanella Ruth though. There must be a tiny wrinkle on it somewhere.

Peter_Spaeth 08-27-2023 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 2367906)
That makes more sense. Still perplexed about the Sanella Ruth though. There must be a tiny wrinkle on it somewhere.

Or the grader had no clue, see my Senna above.

1880nonsports 08-28-2023 06:02 AM

reading through this thread
 
for many of you - maybe buying cards and then sending them out for someone else to grade them might not be for you....... Some silly claims and downright whining. People looking at a SCAN in a holder in an online chat room and questioning grades. Same people calling balls and strikes from the nose bleed section.

theshowandme 08-28-2023 07:38 AM

Have a 22 card order that should arrive there today.

All of it is vintage non-sports. Excited for when it returns

Peter_Spaeth 08-28-2023 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theshowandme (Post 2368185)
Have a 22 card order that should arrive there today.

All of it is vintage non-sports. Excited for when it returns

Hopefully you will not get the same grader I did on my similar order. Good luck.

53toppscollector 08-28-2023 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 53toppscollector (Post 2365543)
Here are my last 2 submissions:

Submitted: 6/18, Received 6/21, Graded 6/29, Shipped 6/30
Submitted: 7/14, Received 7/18, Graded 8/2, Shipped 8/3

Just submitted a new order last night, shipping it out today.

Hopefully they can clear out their backlog quickly.

It appears they are clearing the backlog:

20 card order

Submitted: 8/17
Received: 8/22
Graded: 8/28

refz 08-28-2023 05:43 PM

I submitted a 16 card order at the East Coast National 8/19. I really don’t give a hoot but am curious on the turnaround.

todeen 09-06-2023 09:13 AM

My latest order -- Received 8/28, Graded 8/31, and shipped 9/5.

Edit: Received 9/7.

My pre-war were low end, I didn't expect anything but 1s, but a couple got 1.5 bumps for eye appeal, I suppose.

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parkplace33 09-06-2023 09:32 AM

I wonder how grading at the National impacted return times (if at all).

Yoda 09-06-2023 10:13 AM

The grade on the Sanella Ruth is a travesty. 10 years ago it would have received at least a 7,

ClementeFanOh 09-06-2023 10:28 AM

Sgc
 
Submitting a small group today, will see if they stick to the 2 1/2 weeks turnaround. Prewar and vintage baseball primarily. Trent King


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