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09-15-2023, 09:53 AM
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Sammy Sosa/Frank Thomas
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09-15-2023, 09:54 AM
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Not counting his brief play in 94
95 - part time team finishes 1st. 96 - finally full time team finishes 2nd 97 - team finishes 1st 98-2000 team either 2nd or third. 2001 -No Arod 1st New team 2000 no Arod finshed 4th after being 1st in 99 2001 with him finished 4th Same 2002-2003 2004 no Arod- 3rd New team Pre-Arod, long string of division wins 2004 - divison win again, as you'd figure for a team that was a perennial winner with 100+wins the previous two years. 2005 - 6 still 1st 2007 - retirement, aside from 2014 always in the top 3. 2014, not much change without him. 2016 -with him not playing full time -4th 2017 -without him 2nd It could be said that he made all his teams worse. At best he had essentially no effect on his teams finish, and all three finished better after he left. Gaudy numbers, but not much else. Also a fairly decent argument against WAR, because 2000 Arod 10.4 2001 Carlos Guillen 2.3 2003 arod 8.4 2004 Michael Young 1.9 His last few years weren't good, so that comparison wouldn't be particularly fair. but his replacement the year after he retired was Matt Holliday who also had a negative WAR at DH that year. He probably hung on at least a couple years too long. If I remember it right he got a licensing contract from the Yankees a few years before where he got a portion of the money from any 700th home run merchandizing.
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09-15-2023, 10:14 AM
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His numbers are compelling. The notion that he did not help his teams is, to me, just wrong. Trash him for being a dickhead, but not for his on field performance.
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09-15-2023, 10:32 AM
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He was extremely valuable to his teams. You can't judge a teams win total by the performance of one guy, especially during his Rangers years. It would be one thing if he was a starting pitching, but position players get maybe 4 at bats a game to make an impact, what about the eight other guys? Yes, the numbers were influenced by PED's but Rodriguez was an elite offensive talent, and for a good portion of his career, an elite defensive talent as well. There's a reason why the list of, hitters that reached the 600 Home Run and 3000 Hits, milestone, is so small. Hell he would've hit 700 had the Yankees not forced him into an early retirement. He was a shell by his last season, but still.
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09-15-2023, 07:21 PM
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Arguing that Rodriguez did not benefit his teams, and maybe hurt them, with his historically great performance is utterly ridiculous and unreasonable. If he did not benefits his teams with his 3 MVP’s, 140 OPS+ and 117 WAR, nobody in baseball ever has. Dislike of a person does not make any bad thing said about them true or reasonable.
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09-16-2023, 06:23 AM
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