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I also thought that the W600 Matty was his rookie card but if I recall correctly, it was determined that the Type I Matty was initially released in 1903 as opposed to Wagner in 1902. Since the W600’s continued to be distributed over many years, I went with the E107 as the dating was more specific. I did the same thing with every situation on my list where there were multiple cards initially issued during the same year, I went with the one(s) with most specific dating to that year as opposed to date ranges.
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What about the R311 Joe DiMaggio?
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John,
Are you possibly mistaken and meant to say the R313 National Chicle Fine Pen card with DiMaggio? IIRC there is no R311 card of DiMaggio, in either the glossy or leather finish. Thanks to John/tobychin for correcting me in regard to the R311 cards. I forgot about the multi-player leather version R311 card of DiMaggio with Lazzeri and Crosetti. Still leaves my question as to why DiMaggio's R313 National Chicle Fin Pen card isn't also considered as one of his rookie cards, along with the WWG, R312, and R314 cards Phil listed. Last edited by BobC; 02-14-2023 at 01:58 PM. Reason: Edit for correction. |
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The R311 DiMaggio is a paper premium and larger size than the max for the parameters that I stated (cabintet card size).
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His W600 Type 2 and E107 cards were both issued in 1903. Last edited by Baseball Rarities; 02-15-2023 at 01:22 PM. |
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In that case, which is the proper rookie, w600 type 2 or e107? It seems Phil’s explanation and conclusion that it’s e107 is correct, no? Wagner has a type 1, and that is his rookie (not e107) |
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Yes, Mathewson has a W600 Type 2 that was issued in 1903. His E107 was also issued in 1903. I assume that both would be considered his rookie card. Wagner has a W600 Type 1 that was issued in 1902. Since his E107 was not issued, until 1903, I consider his W600 Type 1 his rookie card - unless you want to count his 1899 M101-1 The Sporting Life and National Copper Plate supplements ![]() Last edited by Baseball Rarities; 02-14-2023 at 02:34 PM. |
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Also, FWIW, I have always considered Feller's 1937 V300 and R314 cards to be his "rookies."
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The limit that I use size wise for “cards” is standard cabinet card, which is approximately 4.25” X 6.50”. The W600’s go a little above and beyond but are such an integral part of the hobby that I didn’t want to omit them from rookie card consideration. Another major factor in this decision has to do with the card stock used, they were obviously intended to be collected and saved long term as opposed to many of the other “oversize” items of the era which were made of much thinner paper, making it much more difficult for them to have been so widely collected. The W600’s also were an obvious source of advertising and distributed across the entire US via mail, all additional characteristics in their favor as compared to other oversize issues of the era.
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Thanks for the info, Kevin.
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Yeah, talking my book here, but i have to disagree and would consider the Copper Plate and Sporting News to be cards and rookie cards. They were clearly collectable, had biographies on the back, were issued in series, by mail, and as a set in binders. Many of the photos used are also repeated in the E107 set and others.
But none of these designations are mutually exclusive, and everyone has their opinion. A professional card of Wagner that predates the W600 by 3-4 years seems to be a very strong contender. If they were graded by PSA (and more populous) they would be ascendant….maybe someday! They are my favorite cards regardless, really beautiful to look at in person. Meanwhile, this Matthewson is a Type II I guess? I always forget the attributes of those vs Type I. |
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Paul - your W600 Matty is a Type 3.
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