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The 89 UD Griffey ushered in and is the symbol of the modern high end card.
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For people who collected in 1989-1994. The Exquisite LeBron made it an after thought. It is the symbol of modern high end now.
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I was too young for the 84 Mattingly and too old for the Lebron rookie. The UD Griffey was my generation’s key card and there wasn’t anything remotely close.
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I think the list tends too modern, but I concede that many of the cards I would put on a top 10 list likely aren’t proper for an all time iconic, defining iconic as most widely recognized (definition 2 of Websters).
Here is my LAYMAN most iconic list 52 Topps Mantle T206 Wagner 1987 Fleer Jordan 1989 UD Griffey T206 red/green Cobb (Horner image) 1933 Goudey Ruth Batting 1980 Topps Bird-Magic 1954 Aaron 1914 CJ Joe Jackson 1979 OPC Gretzky My Baseball card collector most iconic T206 Wagner BN Ruth 1952 Topps Mantle M101-4/5 Ruth T210 Jackson T206 red/green Cobb 1914 CJ Mathewson T206 Plank 1933 Goudey Lajoie 1914 CJ Jackson Honorable mention 1933 Goudey yellow Ruth 1948/9 Leaf Paige 1948/9 Robinson 1963 Rose 1968 Ryan |
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8 of the cards on my list have been in general media news stories over the last ~5 years. Many times due to selling for record or near record prices. These cards should be the most known cards both in and outside the hobby. For the first ~60 years of the hobby there was a big 3. I could not ignore cards that were so important to our hobby for so long, and still are. |
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To be sure I have a reasonable idea of what iconic is, it seems to boil down to being famous, influential and recognizable. With that definition in mind:
T206 Cobb portrait (red or green) T206 Honus Wagner 1933 Goudey Ruth (heck if I know, choose one) 1941 Dimaggio 1941 Ted Williams 1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson 1951 Bowman Mays 1952 Topps Mantle 1954 Topps Hank Aaron 1968 Topps Nolan Ryan 1986 Fleer Jordan 1989 UD Griffey Jr. I know I went over 10 with my listed 12. Yes, perhaps a bit vintage biased vs. modern. I struggled with not having a Gehrig, I suppose the '34 Goudey Yellow would be the one. |
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Nice! Same, I collected as many of those mini CJ as I could when I was a kid, still have them in a box.
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I don't think Griffey has been supplanted at all.
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Rovell's list was from 2010. I think it was less random than the list in the 1st post of this thread. To me 'iconic' focuses on eras.
The 52T Mantle is the golden era, 1950's icon for cards. Wagner is tobacco era. Griffey is that card for the junk wax era collectors. I did not collect in college and so the Griffey doesn't ring any bells for me. I do recognize what it is, like a Gretsky rookie, or 1981 Topps Harold Baines. Modern is really a different hobby to me. I don't really recognize any cards made after 2000, so I don't really know what symbolizes that era, other than refractors of the stars like Kobe, Brady, LeBron, and Messi, and Justin Herbert, and so on. I just realized I don't own any of the top 10 cards in the hobby from post 1. I used to own a Leaf Robinson when I was a kid that my Dad bought me for $45. I may have a Bird rookie from a pack in a box in storage somewhere.
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I was still in high school when those Fleer basketball cards came to market. My recollection is that there were tons of them, and they were not popular.
After college, I turned to pre-war and never looked back. I appreciate Jordan as a basketball star, but his Fleer card took off in popularity after I essentially left that hobby behind.
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We apparently lived opposite lives in this hobby in the late 80’s. I remember near zero talk among collectors of the Griffey…. Jordan was like a tsunami. Gretsky, Montana, Jordan…. Clemons, Puckett, Gooden from the update were all the rage… FF Ripken was also always in the conversation. Everyone wanted the 84’ Donruss factory sets too. IDK…..Maybe it was a regional thing.
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The Upper Deck Griffey was the new speculation in 1989, but many in the hobby were uncertain of Upper Decks future. It took a while for the Griffey to catch on, but by then Jordan was king of the hobby. |
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Upper Deck Griffeys were everywhere in 1989 because that is all that Upper Deck had and as it was a brand new company, they were going to milk it. The 1989 Griffey was just that year's popular rookie and it was only popular until Upper Deck made their high series. Then everyone wanted Jerome Walton. The card everyone really wanted was the 1986 Donruss Jose Canseco. 1988 MVP, 1st 40/40 player, 3x AL Champion 1988-1990, 1989 World Series Champion. |
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T206 Wagner
1952 Topps Mantle 1986 F Jordan 1980-81 Magic-Bird 1979-80 Gretzky 1989 UD Griffey 1957 T Russell 1965 T Namath 1966 T Orr 1993 UD Jeter FWIW, I think Brady and LeBron and Trout are hurt by the sheer variety of RCs they have.
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I like this list a lot, but two hockey cards in the top 10? Dunno ahoout that. I'd also bet Alcindor is more widely collected and known than Russ.
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On hockey, Gretzky is the card to get. For a 1980 card, even a low grade one goes into three figures, which is akin to the 1986 Fleer MJ. I put in Orr because that is the vintage hockey card. I can see the argument for replacing him with someone else but who? Maybe Brady or LeBron?
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Topps Hockey was a good seller? No way. Fleer's sets flopped. Or have we forgotten all the stories of Fleer's boxes selling for $5?
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In my experience, since the day it was released, the UD Griffey has been an instantly recognizable and consistently popular card, synonymous with the modern hobby. I don't think it was supplanted by anything.
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I guess that is why in the fall of 1989, Griffey was the 5th best rookie in the set behind Jerome Walton, Dwight Smith, Jim Abbott and Todd Zeile.
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By putting Griffey Jr. as the #1 card in their first set, UD took a huge gamble that paid off (Topps failed to even include Griffey Jr. in their base '89 set). The card would become the the most-graded card ever (more than 90K just by PSA alone). The '89 UD had five new innovations: 1) foil-wrapped 2) tamper-evident pack 3) high gloss cards on high quality white paper stock 4) images on both sides 5) a hologram. These cards completely revolutionized the somewhat stale baseball card market, and the '89 UD Griffey Jr. was the poster child of this new era. The card is a part of pop culture. Griffey Jr. re-enacted the card's pose in a Macklemore's "Downton" video: https://youtu.be/JGhoLcsr8GA?t=104 Last edited by cgjackson222; 12-03-2022 at 10:49 PM. |
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92,000 Griffeys have been graded by PSA as we speak. 22,000 Jordans. I haven't checked Jerome Walton yet.
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More Griffeys have been graded because Upper Deck ran the presses in 1989, pumping out as many cards as they could. The Topps Traded, Donruss and Fleer Griffey RCs are also among the most graded cards of all time. It was a matter of production numbers. By the way the 1990 Fleer base Michael Jordan is on the list too. Is that more iconic than his Fleer RC? |
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Maybe this is a regional thing? I don't know. But there was never even a moment where the 89 UD Griffey was not the #1 card to own since even before it was released where I grew up. Not just in 1989 either. For years and years thereafter. It was still THE card. I was in card shops almost daily around this time. I had no clue who Jerome Walton or Dwight Smith were. Zero people were collecting those players among my group of friends.
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If you didn't know who Jerome Walton and Dwight Smith were, you must not have been following baseball in 1989. Jerome Walton was NL Rookie of the Year. Dwight Smith finished 2nd. They were the 2 rookies that led the Cubs to the NL East Championship and the NLCS. They were the hottest rookies in baseball, not the guy who led his team to 6th place in the AL West and finished 3rd in AL ROY voting. I guess if you and your friends didn't watch postseason games, watch ESPN Sports Center or read the sports section of any major newspaper, you may not know who the hot rookies in 1989 really were. |
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