Hey, pennant guys

[Duluth Eskimo]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

I don't have this in hand yet...waiting for delivery. But I couldn't believe my luck when I came across this 1936 Yankees Grommet Pennant and managed to win it.

That’s a great pennant. I bid against Mark on the one he has. Nice pick up and obviously I’m jealous.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Not sure if anyone got in on the player photo pennants that Troy had in the last Mears auction. Some incredibly rare player pennants including Mantle and Banks. Brought good money, but if your waiting for the next ones you may be waiting for a long time.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

Not sure if anyone got in on the player photo pennants that Troy had in the last Mears auction. Some incredibly rare player pennants including Mantle and Banks. Brought good money, but if your waiting for the next ones you may be waiting for a long time.

Those were so cool. Didn’t know that so many were even made, though it was just a Twins thing and maybe star players. Big fan here of ASCO pennants.

[ser1979]

Anyone else see this up on Ebay? Wonder what standards they used to come up with the grade on it.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/19540847003...Bk9SR_zu8cz5YA

[perezfan]

What an ugly presentation. Pennant doesn't fit right in the slab, the inner sleeve is cloudy, and the pennant is annoyingly tilted. Other than that, the randomly assigned "7" slab looks great!

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by perezfan

What an ugly presentation. Pennant doesn't fit right in the slab, the inner sleeve is cloudy, and the pennant is annoyingly tilted. Other than that, the randomly assigned "7" slab looks great!

+1. Horrible. Do the other TPA slab these?

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

That’s a great pennant. I bid against Mark on the one he has. Nice pick up and obviously I’m jealous.

Thanks Jason. Which auction was it that you and Mark bid at? I'm trying to get a benchmark of how often the grommet pennants come up for sale.

[Duluth Eskimo]

It was eBay I believe and they don’t really come up for sale.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ser1979

Anyone else see this up on Ebay? Wonder what standards they used to come up with the grade on it.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/19540847003...Bk9SR_zu8cz5YA

Good to know pennants aren't heavily penalized for creases. Well by most people anyway.

[rlevy]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

Not sure if anyone got in on the player photo pennants that Troy had in the last Mears auction. Some incredibly rare player pennants including Mantle and Banks. Brought good money, but if your waiting for the next ones you may be waiting for a long time.

Jason, I grabbed the Koufax, couldn't let it get away as I have only seen 1 other one, and that was several years ago. After getting that one, I decided to buy the Drysdale that popped up on eBay today. Both have moth-eaten spines, but the colors are strong (although the Drysdale has paint cracks). I don't see any pin holes and it looks like they were just sitting in drawers for 60 years.

Rick

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[perezfan]

A couple of great scores, Rick.... Congrats!

[rlevy]

Originally Posted by perezfan

A couple of great scores, Rick.... Congrats!

Thanks Mark.

I have an unrelated question for all the pennant collectors. A while ago I picked up a Cooperstown pennant that was made for the 1972 Induction game between the Dodgers and Yankees. I mainly bought it because it was the year Koufax was inducted into the HOF.

I know they make generic Cooperstown HOF pennants, but was wondering if anyone has or has seen or any other dated years for the baseball HOF induction games?

Rick

1972 HOF game reduced.jpg

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by rlevy

Jason, I grabbed the Koufax, couldn't let it get away as I have only seen 1 other one, and that was several years ago. After getting that one, I decided to buy the Drysdale that popped up on eBay today. Both have moth-eaten spines, but the colors are strong (although the Drysdale has paint cracks). I don't see any pin holes and it looks like they were just sitting in drawers for 60 years.

Rick

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Wow. I love those. Great pennants. I kicking myself that I missed the Mears auction.

[ooo-ribay]

Those are great, Rick! What color would you say the 1972 one was originally?

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by rlevy

Thanks Mark.

I have an unrelated question for all the pennant collectors. A while ago I picked up a Cooperstown pennant that was made for the 1972 Induction game between the Dodgers and Yankees. I mainly bought it because it was the year Koufax was inducted into the HOF.

I know they make generic Cooperstown HOF pennants, but was wondering if anyone has or has seen or any other dated years for the baseball HOF induction games?

Rick

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I've not see any other dated pennants for the HOF game that I can recall, but it is interesting to see that graphic on a pennant from 1972. I used to have an Expos pennant with that batter on it and always wondered how that happened since the Expos didn't exist until 1968 and that graphic (and material) is associated with earlier years.

[rlevy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Those are great, Rick! What color would you say the 1972 one was originally?

Rob, I'm sure it was Dodger Blue!

[perezfan]

Yup, no doubt.... blue. For some reason, that color on woven cloth pennants commonly faded to grey like no other.

And Rob, I was thinking the same... Trench used that same batter on their 1954 Lopez Limited Pennant. So that's at least 18 years of utilizing that same graphic!

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by perezfan

And Rob, I was thinking the same... Trench used that same batter on their 1954 Lopez Limited Pennant. So that's at least 18 years of utilizing that same graphic!

I wonder how many other graphics had that long of a life span?

[Duluth Eskimo]

Originally Posted by rlevy

Jason, I grabbed the Koufax, couldn't let it get away as I have only seen 1 other one, and that was several years ago. After getting that one, I decided to buy the Drysdale that popped up on eBay today. Both have moth-eaten spines, but the colors are strong (although the Drysdale has paint cracks). I don't see any pin holes and it looks like they were just sitting in drawers for 60 years.

Rick

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Rick,
Those are great ones. I was talking to a friend during the auction about how nice that Koufax is other than the spine. Doesn’t both leave that much because it’s mint otherwise. Just for info, Koufax comes in at least one other pose. Nice to get the Drysdale too. They are just way too rare to pass up in great condition. Now you just have to keep buying the other Dodgers guys when they come up.

I’ve never seen that Yankees / Dodgers HOF game either. That’s the kind of weird stuff I would have been all over if I saw it. Nice pick up. Rare graphics for 1972.

[Duluth Eskimo]

I see the Yankees pennant with the gold decorative tassle is finally getting some love for how difficult they are to find. $300 in Jon's last auction.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

I see the Yankees pennant with the gold decorative tassle is finally getting some love for how difficult they are to find. $300 in Jon's last auction.

That border treatment is pretty ugly, IMO. But, don’t get me wrong, if the Giants had one, I’d want it!

[dwr11]

I am pretty sure there are at least 4 different Koufax photo pennants. There is the one that was in the Mears auction - I have seen a couple of those through the years. There are also these two that I have shown (from Huggins and Scott) and I believe there is a black and white photo of Koufax used in a pennant as well.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

I see the Yankees pennant with the gold decorative tassle is finally getting some love for how difficult they are to find. $300 in Jon's last auction.

Yep … bought it for $50 or so three months ago … nice profit!

[rlevy]

Originally Posted by dwr11

I am pretty sure there are at least 4 different Koufax photo pennants. There is the one that was in the Mears auction - I have seen a couple of those through the years. There are also these two that I have shown (from Huggins and Scott) and I believe there is a black and white photo of Koufax used in a pennant as well.

I do have the three Koufax color photo pennants, but don't recall ever seeing one with a black and white photo. Must not be very many of them out there.

Jason, I recall a short while ago a bunch of the individual Dodger photo pennants surfaced on ebay, but I never got around to bidding. I think they were in decent shape too. Oh well.

[ooo-ribay]

Just picked this up. Cheap, cheap! No color ever added to the batter or ball. Graphic by Trench; lettering by IMPKO? I like how you can see they had to first screen the lettering in white, in order for the orange to show on black.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Just picked this up. Cheap, cheap! No color ever added to the batter or ball. Graphic by Trench; lettering by IMPKO? I like how you can see they had to first screen the lettering in white, in order for the orange to show on black.

Nice one, and great condition!

[thetahat]

Someone posted a cool pic on Twitter from the ‘44 WS … never saw that Cardinals pennant before!

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Someone posted a cool pic on Twitter from the ‘44 WS … never saw that Cardinals pennant before!

Great pic, Greg! Kind of coincidental how the S L and C are bigger, like the S F G in the pennant I just got. “Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.”

[bocca001]

Domer and I had a back and forth discussion a few weeks ago about whether or no Keezer ever made football pennants. Specifically, the 49ers pennant below and others in the series. These mini (5 x 12) pennants are very rare, with full-sized examples being crazy rare. Kyle noted that none of these pennants had a Keezer stamp, which, based on what I have seen, is true. I noted that the materials in these pennants (they have a unique spine/tassel material... as seen on the 49ers pennant tassels) are identical to known Keezer pennants.

Then this "American Knitwear" brochure showed up on ebay, which I bought for a few dollars. Domer can tell us more, but apparently this is the same company as Keezer (from Plaistow NH). It's clear that they were selling both football and baseball pennants. Specifically, 5 x 12 pennants, which is the size of my 49ers pennant.

Interestingly, the cartoonish images on these pennants are the same images that IMPKO used on a series of decals (see the decal behind the yellow pennant). Not exactly sure about the connection.

[ooo-ribay]

^^^ those type of brochures are a great help in solving the myriad pennant mysteries.

[Domer05]

Yes, vintage catalogues like this one are huge. So, we now have confirmation that Keezer/American Knitwear made a pennant for all NFL and AFL football teams as of 1964'ish. They also did the same for the original six NHL teams. Moreover, this offering may not have featured a consistent maker's mark identifying their manufacturer as either Keezer or American Knitwear.

I'd like to update my post on Keezer to reflect some of these newly discovered pro football pennants. Can you guys help ID some of the others? Marc's eagle eye already spotted these winners....

[erikc21]

Originally Posted by erikc21

I like seeing these images together. Here’s a quick collage. I find the design simple but interesting

Throwback from ~ post 4331. Obtained this Angels pennant that looks to go with the Keezer set below.

[ooo-ribay]

The Giants^^^ is basically a Holy Grail for me.

[thetahat]

There are six Keezer Phillies in this pic, three full-size and three different minis. The one pictured solo seems to be of similar style (and size?) to the mini FB pennants, I haven’t seen this cartoon graphic (which once appeared on a yearbook cover) on anything but Keezer..

[thetahat]

I should add, I have most teams in the smaller 9” Keezers and some but not all of them are stamped on the back …

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by erikc21

Throwback from ~ post 4331. Obtained this Angels pennant that looks to go with the Keezer set below.

Erik that Angels is super rare, I’d never seen it before. So it seems they were making these as late as 1969, has anyone ever seen a Pilots?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Erik that Angels is super rare, I’d never seen it before. So it seems they were making these as late as 1969, has anyone ever seen a Pilots?

They’re all pretty damn rare, are they not?

[bocca001]

Erik- Here is a better image of the Giants (which is mine) and two others (not mine).

A complete (I believe) group of the football pennants sold earlier this year, pennant by pennant. That is when I got the 49ers. Can probably find them all on worthpoint, although they were not listed as Keezer.

[Bumpus Jones]

Great stuff fellas. Does anyone have a Reds pennant to show?

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

They’re all pretty damn rare, are they not?

Yes all are rare, I seem to see the Tigers more than others. I’m guessing these were exactly from 1969 due to the generic nature of the three expansion teams.

I’ve never seen the Reds in this series….

[bocca001]

Also found the white sox

[661fish]

If someone wanted to put together a set of the Stadium pennants by Trench, which ones would be needed as some teams had multiples and some did not?

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by 661fish

If someone wanted to put together a set of the Stadium pennants by Trench, which ones would be needed as some teams had multiples and some did not?

To my knowledge, all teams had at least one except for: Phillies, Senators 1 and 2, Twins, Colt 45s. Multiple versions for many teams, I’ve seen as many as 9 or 10 different Tigers.

[perezfan]

Spot on. I guess I could add that there is no St. Louis Browns, as that franchise possibly squeezed into the “stadium pennant era” just prior to their demise.

Also, the Dodgers had at least 6-7 that I can think of off-hand.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Yes, vintage catalogues like this one are huge. So, we now have confirmation that Keezer/American Knitwear made a pennant for all NFL and AFL football teams as of 1964'ish. They also did the same for the original six NFL teams. Moreover, this offering may not have featured a consistent maker's mark identifying their manufacturer as either Keezer or American Knitwear.

I'd like to update my post on Keezer to reflect some of these newly discovered pro football pennants. Can you guys help ID some of the others? Marc's eagle eye already spotted these winners....

This Bills is Keezer. It's stamped on the back. I initially thought it was 1940s AAFC Bills, but it seems logical now that this is an AFL Buffalo Bills pennant.

[erikc21]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Also found the white sox

Wow, I’ve never seen the White Sox or Padres before those pictures. What a scarce set!

Maybe you talked about this recently and I’m behind in the thread, but Keezer also had baseball pennants with a similar design to the football ones discussed, correct? Marc, you have an Astros?

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Spot on. I guess I could add that there is no St. Louis Browns, as that franchise possibly squeezed into the “stadium pennant era” just prior to their demise.

Also, the Dodgers had at least 6-7 that I can think of off-hand.

Yes I know of three LAD with the Coliseum and there are a bunch with different batter graphics in Dodger Stadium.

I guessed that the stadium pennants debuted around ‘56 or ‘57 which would “excuse” the three transplanted franchises. But this pennant throws a wrinkle into that theory …

[bocca001]

Erik- in my opinion, the football Keezer pennants are similar to this Astros pennant (which also has no Keezer stamp). Same materials and layout.

I've also wondered about this very rare Giants mini pennant being Keezer. It shares some features of these others, but is not exactly the same.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

This Bills is Keezer. It's stamped on the back. I initially thought it was 1940s AAFC Bills, but it seems logical now that this is an AFL Buffalo Bills pennant.

Right on! I knew you'd have some answers for us from the football side of the house.

Is this Bills pennant full size? Marc's 1964 catalogue suggests that Keezer's/American Knitwear's offering was limited solely to 5" x 12" minis. (No mention of any other sizes.)

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Yes I know of three LAD with the Coliseum and there are a bunch with different batter graphics in Dodger Stadium.

I guessed that the stadium pennants debuted around ‘56 or ‘57 which would “excuse” the three transplanted franchises. But this pennant throws a wrinkle into that theory …

Interesting. I was thinking 1953-54 was perhaps the debut of “the stadium pennant.” So it’s cool to see the ‘51 Indians. With that said, it’s interesting that we have no Philadelphia Athletics Stadium Pennants, yet 4 different KC Athletics variants.