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I think Matt just loves the card and takes this shit personally, I don't think he's pumping it.
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The 52 Mantle has the longest and biggest pump and marketing campaign of any card in hobby history. Which is fine, if people want to treat cards as an investment vehicle, they can go ahead. But it is what it is. |
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I would wager that even the most ardent or sensitive owners of the double printed 2nd year card of Mantle--the 1952 Topps--would probably agree that the appreciation the card has seen is somewhat disproportionate. Given the sheer number of them that have survived there are a great deal of collectors who have benefited from its appreciation over the last few years so I can see why saying anything negative even about the 1952 Topps set might put in jeopardy someone's Sunday.
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I'm going to maintain my position; getting upset over objective facts is a little weird. Whether it's a genuine love or a cold hearted calculation isn't something I addressed nor care about; the end result is blatant pumping of a card. I'm not even anti-52-Mantle, it's a nice card and a nice picture of a young Mickey from a great set. But facts are facts.
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The 52 Mickey is a great card and you will all make money, relax investors and Mickey lovers. It's also a DP and not a rookie by any definition. |
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The intent, from the hyperbolic words used, seems too clearly be to push positive interest, superlatives and publicity to the 52 Mantle. Otherwise, observing facts that are not even negative but just don't help the pumping would not be upsetting to some people. Pumping its reputation is pumping, regardless of whether one is doing this because one loves the card so very much and wants to spread its cheer and joy to others or because one is calculating the profit margin as they do it doesn't change it. I do not claim to know WHY people do what they do, I can only look at what they are saying.
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Try and tell a t206 set collector a set isnt complete without a wagner...hmmmm
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I don't think T206 Wagner owners would disagree with this at all. They are the ones happy to count the set correctly
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Not all of us look at our cards as investments and not all enthusiasm is financially motivated. I buy cards because I collect, though I sell on rare occasion when I have doubles or want something new. As to your condescendingly written string of questions about the card, yes: I know as much about his cards as you or anyone, for that matter. You don't seem to understand the very real concepts of eye appeal or centering in the vintage space and how they in effect create rarity, from your comments about the sheer pop of the card. It is specious at best and disingenuous at worst to cite sheer pop numbers, when we all know an overwhelming percentage of those that exist possess average eye appeal. At best. I don't need to nor have I ever "pumped" anything. Let alone the standard-bearer of the hobby, alongside the Wagner. Newsflash: people can be huge lovers of the 52T Mantle and the likes of a Wagner, Fred Foto Ruth, '25 Exhibit Lou, T210 Jackson, and '84 Donruss Mattingly. These are not mutually exclusive camps. If I posted extensively, as I have in the past, about my love of any of those cards, it would not be pumping. And as to what owners of this card or that card or the other card behave like... one thing I haven't seen fellow owners of the Mantle do is take time out to take negative pot shots at other great cards. Last edited by MattyC; 08-29-2022 at 04:03 PM. |
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My most “modern” card is a 33 Goudey. Yet, I jumped at the chance to buy this amazing Tim Carroll piece (baseball cards made of cut up baseball cards) when it became available, because after the t206 Wagner, the 1952 Topps Mantle is the most iconic card. Fact, end of story.
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Wow, this is unhinged. You are pumping in this thread, and openly so with your hyperbolic statements and outrage at people who are not even critical of the card but just not pumping it. Go read your own posts. I guess your Sunday was, indeed, ruined.
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Go renew your prescription and get a grip. Last edited by G1911; 08-29-2022 at 04:40 PM. Reason: fixed a missing "k" |
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Today is probably not the day to ask but I cannot help but wonder how the first quote does not entirely contradict the premise of his post today.
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You don't seem to understand the very real concepts of eye appeal or centering in the vintage space and how they in effect create rarity I got into graded cards just under 10 years ago. Didn't know anything about grading companies. I was a HUGE Phillies and M. Schmidt fan as a kid. Had my childhood 73 M. Schmidt rookie card, and somehow came across graded cards. It just fascinated me and had to learn more. Among other things I joined Net54. I asked questions here etc. and Matty was always willing to answer and help me in my understanding of this new adventure. The very first bit of advice he gave me was that he valued "Centering" first and foremost because it gave out the best "Eye Appeal". In my mind no truer or better advice can be given! Well as a bit of time passed me and Matty became card acquaintances as I'll put it. We emailed and discussed the hoppy etc. I even purchased some great cards. Including a beautiful 1973 M. Schmidt PSA 9, that I had to make an offer he couldn't refuse because he didn't want to give it up. That card I've had a long time (can't believe it's been about 8 years). My point is that in my experience with Matty. I've found him to be a man willing to answer and help in any way he can. Always very passionate and loved Mickey Mantle for sure! We lost touch years ago, I honestly don't remember the last time we corresponded. I see him posting here all the time and fondly recall how he really got me into collecting graded vintage, and pointed me in a direction I use to this day. |
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No other card in the hobby attracts such fury at anything that does not serve the pump, even if the offending statements are not even criticisms of the card, which I have praised in almost every post because I know well how triggered the Mantle pumpers get when encountering anything that does not serve their interest. |
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Yes I saw that post. It is not about the money though...ugh.
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