Gun ownership poll

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by G1911

Charging me $5,000 a bullet quite literally does take it away from me though. Only billionaires can possibly train responsibly following your tax plan. Banning pretty much everything from post-Civil War technology does take it away from me. That is exactly what is being proposed. Taking them away from normal citizens does not remove them from criminals (it is already another felony for them to possess arms, to use them in the commission of a crime, and to murder people with any tool).



Criticizing these huge bans is not highlighting an imperfection. We aren't nitpicking on little details; the last sequence of demands in this thread are rolling technology back over a century and either criminalizing pretty much all gun owners or instituting a tax that is a de facto ban on private arms ownership entirely. These aren't imperfections or nitpicking. Of course gun owners are not going to support criminalizing half the nation and stripping the Bill of Rights away. I'm not looking for perfect; I'm pro-gun because I don't believe perfect is an achievable goal. There are always going to be psycho's and criminals; 100% of humanity is not going to gather around the campfire and sing kumbaya together. I wish I didn't need a gun for anything besides sport use. However, I live in the real world, not a fantasy land, and in the real world people do (and have) attempted to invade my home (and millions of others), or try to massacre innocent children. Criminalizing half of us doesn't address this at all. These people are criminals because they don't care about the law and will break it. Huge bans like this don't address the problem.

Ok, so what do you think would be good? Goal is to reduce mass shootings. Give me something. Again, besides good guy with a gun theory…

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Ok, so what do you think would be good? Goal is to reduce mass shootings. Give me something. Again, besides good guy with a gun theory…

I have several times already discussed mental health measures.

You are asking to me propose only some kind of gun ban and removing any pro-gun or non-gun control option. Criminals do not follow the law. No gun ban disarms psycho's, gang members, and other violent criminals. No law that is passed is going to disarm them to then reduce mass shootings.

I do not support a ban. I do not think there is any rational reason to believe criminals will follow this gun ban for some magical reason.

Address the actually guilty. Address why people do this. Stop blaming 50% of America.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by G1911

I have several times already discussed mental health measures.

You are asking to me propose only some kind of gun ban and removing any pro-gun or non-gun control option. Criminals do not follow the law. No gun ban disarms psycho's, gang members, and other violent criminals. No law that is passed is going to disarm them to then reduce mass shootings.

I do not support a ban. I do not think there is any rational reason to believe criminals will follow this gun ban for some magical reason.

Address the actually guilty. Address why people do this. Stop blaming 50% of America.

Right, this is just our impasse and that’s ok. I want some types of guns to be banned or harder to buy. I don’t think fixing mental health is the answer, although it’s obviously a goal.