Best lefty off all time? My vote is Koufax!

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Tabe

I corrected that and pointed out that the increased strike zone lined up with Sandy's four best years. Nothing misleading about that.

Sandy's best 4 years also lines up with expansion. Sandy was 14-2 vs. the Houston Colt .45s (1.90 ERA) and 17-2 vs. the Mets (1.44 ERA.) Those weak expansion clubs combined to give him 31 wins against just 4 losses. Take that away and Sandy is a lifetime 131-83 pitcher.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Did anyone else point out that it's not surprising that the OP picked a pitcher with a qualifier?

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Sandy's best 4 years also lines up with expansion. Sandy was 14-2 vs. the Houston Colt .45s (1.90 ERA) and 17-2 vs. the Mets (1.44 ERA.) Those weak expansion clubs combined to give him 31 wins against just 4 losses. Take that away and Sandy is a lifetime 131-83 pitcher.

If I can prove to you that win/loss records mean absolutely jack shit, will you promise to stop posting them as your arguments for why player A is better or worse than player B?

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by Snowman

If I can prove to you that win/loss records mean absolutely jack shit, will you promise to stop posting them as your arguments for why player A is better or worse than player B?

I have an idea: How about you actually prove something, instead of just saying you could or might or would if you had time or whatever.

In no particular order:
Why Grove's stats get worse when you take away the vacuum (and Koufax's get better)
Why Ryu is better than Spahn
Why Grove's era, and even more so, Ruth's era, are not worthy of inclusion