The hobby is surely passing me by

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Leon

That is a bunch of bullshit. People can put anything on a meme and have it mean something different. Of course anybody putting a Hitler mustache on him, or swastika etc.....then yes, that is racist. A pure Pepe is not racist. He is a frog. I love frogs. Leave him alone. Putting Pepe on a Wags isn't racist.
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I didn't say the image as drawn was racist. But, facts are facts - Pepe the Frog has been co-opted as a symbol of white supremacists. Sometimes benign images or symbols get co-opted - such as the swastika. I was expressing surprise that an image that has been co-opted was being sold by Goldin. You're making a distinction where one doesn't exist.

Lemme just re-emphasize, Goldin can do whatever they want. I honestly don't care one way or the other if they sell it. But I am surprised.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-...htmlstory.html

https://www.statepress.com/article/2...hite-supremacy

https://www.vox.com/2016/9/21/128936...g-donald-trump

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Tabe

I didn't say the image as drawn was racist. But, facts are facts - Pepe the Frog has been co-opted as a symbol of white supremacists. Sometimes benign images or symbols get co-opted - such as the swastika. I was expressing surprise that an image that has been co-opted was being sold by Goldin. You're making a distinction where one doesn't exist.

Lemme just re-emphasize, Goldin can do whatever they want. I honestly don't care one way or the other if they sell it. But I am surprised.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-...htmlstory.html

https://www.statepress.com/article/2...hite-supremacy

https://www.vox.com/2016/9/21/128936...g-donald-trump

Thanks for the articles. I had read the first one. I am not co-opting him. Sorry. He's a frog.

[Kidnapped18]

We still have swastikas on our county courthouse. Courthouse was built in 1931, Hitler rose to power in 1933.

Most people don't pay attention to them or have any clue they are there.

I watched Da Vinci Code early this am lots of symbols can be interpreted different ways and be co opted for whatever use a person wants.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Kidnapped18

We still have swastikas on our county courthouse. Courthouse was built in 1931, Hitler rose to power in 1933.

Most people don't pay attention to them or have any clue they are there.

I watched Da Vinci Code early this am lots of symbols can be interpreted different ways and be co opted for whatever use a person wants.

Surely in all this time there has been controversy about getting rid of them?

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Tabe

I didn't say the image as drawn was racist. But, facts are facts - Pepe the Frog has been co-opted as a symbol of white supremacists.

That only matters to people who:
1. Give white supremacists any credibility whatsoever
2. People who want to keep racial tensions strong by finding racism wherever they look.

For me, I give white supremacists zero credibility and I likewise give race baiters zero credibility. The goal should be for us to find common ground and unity, not constantly look to group people based on race, then pit those groups against each other.

Pepe is a frog. Period. I don't care if terrorists worship him or some other group sews his image in their leather jackets, the cartoon is a frog.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Pepe is a frog. Period. I don't care if terrorists worship him or some other group sews his image in their leather jackets, the cartoon is a frog.

I generally agree with you. That said, even Leon admits that he thinks some benign symbols are objectionable. What's the line?

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Tabe

I generally agree with you. That said, even Leon admits that he thinks some benign symbols are objectionable. What's the line?

Whatever white supremacists do, say, or use as a symbol should be 100% irrelevant to every sane person on earth and beyond.

If Charles Manson had a Yogi Bear tattoo, would that mean Yogi was "co-opted" and Yogi cartoons were suddenly racist?

[BobbyStrawberry]

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[Leon]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

That's a nice line of escapist thought, but the Department of Homeland Security, Attorney General and FBI beg to differ:


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/12/u...remacists.html


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1810615.html

Probably need your full name out here to say someone feels a certain way. Read the rule at the top of the page in bold......thanks

And I also don't give those people any cred. Law enforcement does because they get to deal with them. I don't have to and won't and I don't care what extremists say. It's a frog.

[ALR-bishop]

https://video.search.yahoo.com/searc...i=uoMQw3iHDoIR

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Leon

Probably need your full name out here to say someone feels a certain way. Read the rule at the top of the page in bold......thanks

And I also don't give those people any cred. Law enforcement does because they get to deal with them. I don't have to and won't and I don't care what extremists say. It's a frog.

Hi Leon, I'd rather not do that here, so I'll just delete the prior post. Thanks for clarifying

[Peter_Spaeth]

Can we all agree it's appropriate to remove statues of Thomas Jefferson?

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Can we all agree it's appropriate to remove statues of Thomas Jefferson?

If the criteria you base that on is what I assume, Washington would be next.

Imagine that poor football team.

Washington Redskins to
Washington Football Team to
Football Team.

Political correctness: dismantling history and tradition one piece at a time.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Can we all agree it's appropriate to remove statues of Thomas Jefferson?

Historians are pretty sure he did a lot of stuff that would at least get him fired pretty much anywhere.

Same with many of the founding fathers.

But aside from starting a new country what they did wasn't all that unusual for the time they lived.