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Old 11-23-2020, 10:08 AM
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Apologies for the wrong information above. Was referencing Lew Lipset's Encyclopedia. 99 does seem like a strange number, but after all these years, I question whether any more will be discovered.
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Saw the thread regarding your favorite T207(s) with the Recruit Back. Got me wondering if there's a thread to share T207s in general. Not too often I get to share these with relevancy.

One question I have: has anyone ever seen a T207 Grover Hartley with a Red Cross back? Or is that simply an assumption based on the back run "rules" with this set?


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Mike,

As to your #3 thought to ponder about some backs are found more worn...

Look at a handful of ungraded white border cards, T206's. By only looking at the fronts, sort them into 2 piles, more worn, rounded corners to the left, other cards to the right. Then look at the backs. Series 150 are more likely to be in the 'worn' pile. Look at some ungraded E90-1s. The caramel cards usually went straight into a kid's hand, not so much so with cigarette cards. Kinds would stack their cards, tie them together with thread, carry them in a pocket, handle them with grimey little kid hands. Kids got hold of series 150 T206's first, they had more time to inflict wear upon them. I suggest that maybe Anon factory 3 T207s were among the first of the T207s that were distributed. Kids would have taken up with the new cards and their interest in earlier cards would have diminished a bit. I don't think those cards were more fragile, mor susceptible to wear, but those cards may have received more wear from the kid factor. Seems likely to me.
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Is this a brown ink back?

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No that card does not look like a brown back.

Regarding Red Cross backs, I don't think Hartley has ever been found. There are only about 10 players known with Red Cross backs. Harley does come with an Anonymous Factory 3 and an Anonymous Factory 25 back.
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No that card does not look like a brown back.

Regarding Red Cross backs, I don't think Hartley has ever been found. There are only about 10 players known with Red Cross backs. Harley does come with an Anonymous Factory 3 and an Anonymous Factory 25 back.
There's another Anonymous Factory back for Hartley? Son of a...
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Anon 25 ...



and as Ron says .. no RedCross of Hartley is known at this point in time, though one is certainly in the realm of possibility, small as that might be ...

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I tend to agree with Ron on this - and that its likely not, but it definitely makes you look twice. There are a number of well-known examples that are very clearly brown. There are a good number of others that you could argue are brown. The one thing that seems consistent to me is that scans and pics do not do the brown print backs justice - when viewed on screen, they mostly look meh.

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No that card does not look like a brown back.

Regarding Red Cross backs, I don't think Hartley has ever been found. There are only about 10 players known with Red Cross backs. Harley does come with an Anonymous Factory 3 and an Anonymous Factory 25 back.
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I tend to agree with Ron on this - and that its likely not, but it definitely makes you look twice. There are a number of well-known examples that are very clearly brown. There are a good number of others that you could argue are brown. The one thing that seems consistent to me is that scans and pics do not do the brown print backs justice - when viewed on screen, they mostly look meh.

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Thanks for your input. I removed the cards from penny sleeves and took a photo instead of a scan. What do you think now?
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Thanks for your input. I removed the cards from penny sleeves and took a photo instead of a scan. What do you think now?
Thanks, Joe - a good side-by-side in the same photo makes all the difference - it has my vote as brown.

One of the other hallmarks for me (for many, not all) is that the paper has a more yellowish hue - sometimes very strongly. Don't how that might be related, but you can often pick them out when looking at groups of cards that way, at least for closer inspection.

I don't know if anyone is cataloging the off-backs with T207 (brown print/blank back), but this gets my vote to be added to the list.
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