Fake 1915 Cracker Jack in PSA holder...wow!

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by DWS44

Latest Update...

The card is on its way back to PSA for the rest of the song and dance. Got a follow-up call from their "Chief of Staff" (LOL) yesterday afternoon and she emailed a label for FedEx overnight. Supposedly she is handling the card upon arrival and it is supposed to go straight to their top grader. I forgot his fancy title. She pretty much led off that I didn't qualify for their "guarantee" since I was the one who submitted it. No shock there. Assuming its declared a fake, I get a refund of the PSA fees I paid and she offered me all of a free PSA membership of some sort and maybe a few free grades, all of which I told her was pretty much useless to me at this point. Already sold most of my high-value cards that would have gotten any benefit from that anyways. Pretty much as everyone expected...the price you pay for trying to go the honest route, I suppose.

Anyways...that's where it stands. Now back to your regularly-scheduled PSA Screw Up Gallery already in progress!

Seeing as you had nothing to lose/gain from PSA...you really should not have returned the card to them...oh well?

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by DWS44

Assuming its declared a fake, I get a refund of the PSA fees I paid and she offered me all of a free PSA membership of some sort and maybe a few free grades, all of which I told her was pretty much useless to me at this point.

Splitting hairs, but it's not a fake. Its an altered & artificially aged 1982(?) Dover Reprint.

[Eric72]

If all the original submitter will get is a membership they won’t use, why not:

1- Keep the card as a curiosity

OR

2- Auction it here

[conor912]

Originally Posted by Eric72

If all the original submitter will get is a membership they won’t use, why not:

1- Keep the card as a curiosity

OR

2- Auction it here

As someone mentioned, anything other than destroying it all but ensures that at some point it would re-emerge into the hobby and cause more problems. Despite feeling like the OP got hosed, it was the right thing to do for the hobby.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

Splitting hairs, but it's not a fake. Its an altered & artificially aged 1982(?) Dover Reprint.

right! it would not surprise me if the card were returned to the owner slabbed...wait for it...it's psa's favorite..."questionable authenticity!"

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by conor912

As someone mentioned, anything other than destroying it all but ensures that at some point it would reemergence into the hobby and cause more problems. Despite feeling like the OP got hosed, it was the right thing to do for the hobby.

You’re right, of course. I’m curious, though. What will PSA do with this card if they determine it was their error?

[Rookiemonster]

How can shady stuff like this continue to happen? Card collectors keep falling for the same old crap.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Eric72

You’re right, of course. I’m curious, though. What will PSA do with this card if they determine it was their error?

Well, they can destroy it and remove the cert number once they reimburse the owner. It's a beat up 1970s reprint card. No value.

[DWS44]

Just in case anyone was on pins and needles for PSA's review today, by the time the delivery got routed to the person looking out for it, the grand poobah of grading had left for the day...so that's that until Monday.

[swarmee]

I hope he's thrown off by the time change and deems it REAL again. That would be bananas! ;-) Nah, that's as likely as it getting through the first time.

[Exhibitman]

A while ago there was someone on eBay who had a major PSA screw-up, didn't like their offer to fix it, and posted it on eBay over and over again with a very high BIN basically trolling PSA. I think it was a Heinie Wagner labeled a Honus.

[shagrotn77]

I'm sure of 2 things:

PSA is aware of this thread
The card will be destroyed

I don't have any inside knowledge, but those are certainties IMO. As for how the owner will be compensated. Who knows? It would be in PSA's best interests to make the owner happy, but they don't always do the right thing.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by DWS44

Just in case anyone was on pins and needles for PSA's review today, by the time the delivery got routed to the person looking out for it, the grand poobah of grading had left for the day...so that's that until Monday.

Probably looked it up and went "Ah S*** that's one I did... Hey, taking off early, gotta headache... "

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

A while ago there was someone on eBay who had a major PSA screw-up, didn't like their offer to fix it, and posted it on eBay over and over again with a very high BIN basically trolling PSA. I think it was a Heinie Wagner labeled a Honus.

Do you mean this one:

https://www.net54baseball.com/attach...1&d=1604125494

It's not mine, but it's funny as hell...

[CobbSpikedMe]

Originally Posted by Fred

Do you mean this one:

https://www.net54baseball.com/attach...1&d=1604125494

It's not mine, but it's funny as hell...

Is that in the PSA pop reports as a legit Honus Wagner?

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by CobbSpikedMe

Is that in the PSA pop reports as a legit Honus Wagner?

The certification number provided, #11839843, has been intentionally DEACTIVATED in the database.

https://www.psacard.com/cert/11839843

[Fred]

I'm pretty sure there are more than a few certs that have been intentionally deactivated/removed due to a small inaccuracy.

[Fred]

Here's another fun T206 Big 4 Blunder. At least with Heine they got the card designation correct.

https://www.net54baseball.com/attach...1&d=1604153920

Again, not mine, but funny as hell.

[swarmee]

That's a Caramel card, right?

So for all four of the Big 4, I'd have to believe PSA screwed all of them up over the years.
Did they mess up a Doyle and assign it the wrong variation?
And did they authenticate an altered MAGEE as a MAGIE?

[t206fanatic]

Ted posted that theres a PSA graded Doyle Error with PB back, which is an impossible combination -- but I have never seen it.

[oldeboo]

I sometimes wonder if these are actually screw ups or PSA messing with us. I envision in my dreams the 3 people grading a card, sitting in circle and saying "you know what I'm gonna put this Heine in a Honus Wagner slab." "HAAA, good one Mike, can't wait til that hits the internet." "I've got one better, I'm going to encapsulate this conterfeit!!!" "Ohh they'll love that too, good thinkin Jim"

If only it were so simple..

[Fred]

Originally Posted by swarmee

That's a Caramel card, right?

So for all four of the Big 4, I'd have to believe PSA screwed all of them up over the years.
Did they mess up a Doyle and assign it the wrong variation?
And did they authenticate an altered MAGEE as a MAGIE?

I believe it's an E95.

[Fred]

The guy that graded the T206 Heine must have also graded this one...

https://www.net54baseball.com/attach...1&d=1604174566

Wait, there's more... another of the T206 Toughies...

https://www.net54baseball.com/attach...1&d=1604174713

[CrackaJackKid]

Been back at PSA over 24hrs now and still no word from them....anyone else surprised?

[DWS44]

Originally Posted by CrackaJackKid

Been back at PSA over 24hrs now and still no word from them....anyone else surprised?

Yup...not a peep since the "first thing Monday" response I got back on Friday.

[conor912]

I’d be surprised if we hear anything else. If I was PSA I would want this to go away as quickly and quietly as possible. The card will be destroyed, the OP will get his vouchers, and that will be the end of it.

[perezfan]

Don't get your hopes up. They will squelch this major gaffe just as they've done with all the others. Slimy as hell...

Card never should have been sent back to them for the pittance they offered.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by conor912

I’d be surprised if we hear anything else. If I was PSA I would want this to go away as quickly and quietly as possible. The card will be destroyed, the OP will get his vouchers, and that will be the end of it.

yup...saw this a mile away...maybe next time things will be different?

[DWS44]

After I emailed to ask if it was "first thing on Monday" yet, the lady called me. As expected, they realized it was a "reprint", no other details given. All very matter of fact. Said she would process a refund for my $34 and if I wanted they'd return my raw card. Again started into offering some platinum membership and free grades, and when I said that wasn't of any use, that was that. I just hung up...tired of thinking about it.

Anyways...thus ends the saga...so I'll take off. Thanks for allowing me to tell the story.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by DWS44

After I emailed to ask if it was "first thing on Monday" yet, the lady called me. As expected, they realized it was a "reprint", no other details given. All very matter of fact. Said she would process a refund for my $34 and if I wanted they'd return my raw card. Again started into offering some platinum membership and free grades, and when I said that wasn't of any use, that was that. I just hung up...tired of thinking about it.

Anyways...thus ends the saga...so I'll take off. Thanks for allowing me to tell the story.

Thanks for sharing and have a great evening.

[Exhibitman]

Yeah that's about how we all figured it would go down. I wish I could just refund some fees and walk away if I screw up a client's case but that is the prerogative of kings and those who own the Registry.

It's good to be a monopoly.

[luciobar1980]

Wow, you definitely should have kept it and flaunted it.

[Madi$on18joshua]

I cant wait to hear what they offer you, I would think it would be substantial. I could see SGC paying $5k for it and starting a marketing campaign around why all TPG aren't the same.

[oldeboo]

Originally Posted by Madi$on18joshua

I cant wait to hear what they offer you, I would think it would be substantial. I could see SGC paying $5k for it and starting a marketing campaign around why all TPG aren't the same.

He said 34 bucks, which were his fees

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Madi$on18joshua

I cant wait to hear what they offer you, I would think it would be substantial. I could see SGC paying $5k for it and starting a marketing campaign around why all TPG aren't the same.

I would bet big that SGC wouldn't want to open that can of worms. They have had some pretty big mistakes also. I am far from a fan of their lawyer but he is damn good at his job, can't see him telling them it would be a good idea.

[DWS44]

I could see SGC paying $5k

The estimates keep getting higher and higher since I sent it back and got squat. Before long I'll have screwed myself out of a new house and car. hehe

[jingram058]

I have old cards, all of them raw, ungraded. I do not want them graded. I have had many trade offers for some of the cards I have. The only trades I have followed through on are raw cards-for-cards, no money involved. Most recently, quite a few 1959-60-61 and several 1962 Topps stars/HOF's for an equitable number of 1952 Topps and 1953 Bowman color. Everything was above board. Checked with loupe, blacklight, hands on examination and "feel". Can't do that with a big PSA or whoever slab. I like to "hands on" my cards, like I did as a kid. No stress, no obsessive worries. We both walked away from our trade happy as we could be. I've read through this whole ordeal, and cannot help but wonder if this old card could have been ID'ed real or fake right up front without the PSA slab?

[swarmee]

Looks like there are even more embarrassing fakes in PSA slabs, take a look at the Tip Top Bread thread.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by jingram058

I've read through this whole ordeal, and cannot help but wonder if this old card could have been ID'ed real or fake right up front without the PSA slab?

The perforations by themselves made it an obvious reprint. All the others things wrong about it (cardstock, erasure over REPRINT, wear, coloration, print quality) would only take an extra few seconds for most experts to deem it fake, no matter whether it was slabbed or not.

[Fred]

Should have kept it or auctioned it off. I bet there would have been a few people here willing to put up some cash for it. I'd have paid a hundred for it easy!

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Looks like there are even more embarrassing fakes in PSA slabs, take a look at the Tip Top Bread thread.

Where is that thread?

[oldeboo]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Where is that thread?

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=291365

[swarmee]

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=291365

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Fred

Should have kept it or auctioned it off. I bet there would have been a few people here willing to put up some cash for it. I'd have paid a hundred for it easy!

And what auction house would have the balls to auction that card off??

[oldeboo]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

And what auction house would have the balls to auction that card off??

Net54 b/s/t auction

[Fred]

Originally Posted by oldeboo

Net54 b/s/t auction

Ding, ding, ding.

Honestly, how many people here would have bid on it? I know I would have made a spirited attempt to get it.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by DWS44

The estimates keep getting higher and higher since I sent it back and got squat. Before long I'll have screwed myself out of a new house and car. hehe

Yes Dave, you messed up (with all due respect). You let PSA off easy. At worst, you could have sold it to someone like me who would have posted it here regularly to remind the world of how psa ensures we never get cheated. But instead, you let them off the hook for $34. It was your (reprint) card, so of course you are/were free to do with it as you choose. I just do not agree with your choice.

Ryan

[oldeboo]

Originally Posted by Fred

Ding, ding, ding.

Honestly, how many people here would have bid on it? I know I would have made a spirited attempt to get it.

I think about 5 people in this thread showed public interest. I'm sure there were at least 10 more waiting in the wings.

Next up is that reprint Tip Top 😊

[conor912]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Yes Dave, you fucked up (with all due respect). You let PSA off easy. At worst, you could have sold it to someone like me who would have posted it here regularly to remind the world of how psa ensures we never get cheated. But instead, you let them off the hook for $34. It was your (reprint) card, so of course you are/were free to do with it as you choose. I just do not agree with your choice.

Ryan

Dave made his intentions clear and everyone had ample time to make him an offer he couldn't refuse. No one did, so he went through with his stated plan. He was doing what he thought was right, regardless of possible financial gain or being complicit in the forwarding the anti-PSA agenda so pervasive in some pockets here.

IMO anyone who, for any reason, owns and refuses to crack out a single PSA card, shouldn't cast stones here.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by conor912

Dave made his intentions clear and everyone had ample time to make him an offer he couldn't refuse. No one did, so he went through with his stated plan. He was doing what he thought was right, regardless of possible financial gain or being complicit in the forwarding the anti-PSA agenda so pervasive in some pockets here.

IMO anyone who, for any reason, owns and refuses to crack out a single PSA card, shouldn't cast stones here.

I see an honest opinion. Frankly, I kinda agree with it. I may not have said "you fucked up" (and it was written "with all due respect"), but yeah, I kinda think he fucked up. Anyway, the owner sees the humor in it because he's posted that he's not going to be able to retire off of the cash he would have gotten for it.

Perhaps repeatedly poking fun at the TPGs by posting that glaring mistake, over and over again might actually make them try harder (not to FUCK UP). Ok, perhaps that's a stretch...