Best lefty off all time? My vote is Koufax!

[jgannon]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

Because that's exactly what I said.

Nice strawman.

Koufax would have been a marginal HOFer had his home park not been Dodger Stadium. Obviously that is the same as saying he was a bum.

If he doesn't have the injury and is able to have a few more really good years, even without Dodger Stadium helping him he is a first ballot HOFer.

The fact is that he was greatly helped by his home field AND he had an unfortunately too short prime due to injury. Even with his shortened career, "Road Only Koufax" still likely would have been a marginal HOFer. So with everything going against him he still likely would have been in.

But that's not the debate of this thread. The debate here is greatest lefty ever. Koufax road stats tell me even in his prime you cannot make that case, let alone the fact that his prime was so tragically short.

Now go find another strawman to argue against. And don't let your dumb show so easily it's unbecoming.

What's with the attitude and why make things personal? First of all, he wasn't quoting you and his post came after a number of other posts, some of which were supporting the idea of numbers over "feelings". No one was saying you called Koufax a bum.

But it's disingenuous to say that you're not knocking Koufax when you use say things like his "video game numbers were a product of his park" and "Chavez Ravine aided Koufax is a legend".

While Koufax's contemporaries (Drysdale, Podres, etc.) may have had home/away splits that show they did better at home, they don't come close to his numbers. He had to be a damn good pitcher to post those numbers. I have argued on this thread that he changed his approach and style before he pitched in Chavez, and that if he hadn't done that, he would not have done as well as he did at home or on the road during the 1963-1966 run.