Will this stock market madness affect cards?

[rats60]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

I think plenty of blame should be passed to Coumo and DeBlasio. I live in Manhattan and my girlfriend is a doctor treating COVID cases at the VA downtown as I write this. Coumo bears some responsibility. But, Trump has the power and right to overrule them, he’s choosing not to. Trump has the power to quarantine New York, declare Marshall Law, bring in the national guard, etc. Trump is making the choice not to. The Trump Administration is allowing New Yorkers to leave New York.

Of course Cuomo doesn’t want to Quarantine New York, Coumo’s allegiances lie with New Yorkers, not with the people of New Jersey, PA, CT, etc. It’s 100% Trump’s responsibility to quarantine if he believes it would help.

We can't stop people crossing the border with Mexico. Trying to close the borders of New York is impossible.

[ronniehatesjazz]

I know these are crazy times but isn't there a rule about no politics in this forum?

[packs]

It is far too late for any kind of quarantine. By this time next week the virus will have made its way around the country attached to people who are already where they are.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by ronniehatesjazz

I know these are crazy times but isn't there a rule about no politics in this forum?

I not taking any side

but i would think if someone were to criticize Trump, they also are saying that Hillary and/or Biden would be great. If they are not saying that, then its pretty empty to just say how things are bad.

If all of them are bad, really no reason to bad mouth any of them. Whats the point of criticizing with no solution.

[gawaintheknight]

This won't be a popular attitude here, but Hillary would absolutely have been, if not great (I don't know what that would mean in this context), a lot better. She has experience with healthcare policy, she has experience in the Senate, she has experience as Secretary of State, she has experience seeing how a non-dysfunctional White House works. All of that would be helpful, and Trump has none of it. She would not have cut funding for epidemic preparedness or eliminated government agencies that it now turns out are crucial for fighting the epidemic. She would have used the contingency plans the Obama administration created for dealing with epidemics rather than ignoring them and pretending everything was fine for months while the time to act decisively went by. She would have hired competent people and let them do their jobs. She would be actually trying to address the crisis instead of trying to threaten governors she didn't like and tweeting about how high her TV ratings were and trying to bully reporters who asked questions she didn't like. I could go on, but just on those points alone, there's a huge difference.

So, absolutely she would have been a lot better. She was one of the most qualified candidates in the history of the presidency, and she lost to one of the least qualified candidates, and, as they say, elections have consequences.

I'm sure there's a bunch of people here who are now never going to do business with me again, but that's fine.

Ted

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I not taking any side

but i would think if someone were to criticize Trump, they also are saying that Hillary and/or Biden would be great. If they are not saying that, then its pretty empty to just say how things are bad.

If all of them are bad, really no reason to bad mouth any of them. Whats the point of criticizing with no solution.

[gawaintheknight]

Instead we get this idiocy:

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/mypil...232505593.html

Ted

Originally Posted by gawaintheknight

This won't be a popular attitude here, but Hillary would absolutely have been, if not great (I don't know what that would mean in this context), a lot better. She has experience with healthcare policy, she has experience in the Senate, she has experience as Secretary of State, she has experience seeing how a non-dysfunctional White House works. All of that would be helpful, and Trump has none of it. She would not have cut funding for epidemic preparedness or eliminated government agencies that it now turns out are crucial for fighting the epidemic. She would have used the contingency plans the Obama administration created for dealing with epidemics rather than ignoring them and pretending everything was fine for months while the time to act decisively went by. She would have hired competent people and let them do their jobs. She would be actually trying to address the crisis instead of trying to threaten governors she didn't like and tweeting about how high her TV ratings were and trying to bully reporters who asked questions she didn't like. I could go on, but just on those points alone, there's a huge difference.

So, absolutely she would have been a lot better. She was one of the most qualified candidates in the history of the presidency, and she lost to one of the least qualified candidates, and, as they say, elections have consequences.

I'm sure there's a bunch of people here who are now never going to do business with me again, but that's fine.

Ted

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by gawaintheknight

Hillary would absolutely have been, if not great (I don't know what that would mean in this context), a lot better. She has experience with healthcare policy, she has experience in the Senate, she has experience as Secretary of State, she has experience seeing how a non-dysfunctional White House works. All of that would be helpful, and Trump has none of it. She would not have cut funding for epidemic preparedness or eliminated government agencies that it now turns out are crucial for fighting the epidemic. She would have used the contingency plans the Obama administration created for dealing with epidemics rather than ignoring them and pretending everything was fine for months while the time to act decisively went by. She would have hired competent people and let them do their jobs. She would be actually trying to address the crisis instead of trying to threaten governors she didn't like and tweeting about how high her TV ratings were and trying to bully reporters who asked questions she didn't like. I could go on, but just on those points alone, there's a huge difference.

So, absolutely she would have been a lot better. She was one of the most qualified candidates in the history of the presidency, and she lost to one of the least qualified candidates, and, as they say, elections have consequences.



Ted

Best advice my stepfather ever gave me, ‘Opinions are like a**holes, everybody has one.’

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Best advice my stepfather ever gave me, ‘Opinions are like a**holes, everybody has one.’

No opinions her, just numbers for people to consider when gauging our federal response.

January 20-
- US reports first cases
- S Korea reports first cases

March 12
- US has tested 10,058
- S Korea has tested 234,998

March 17
- US has tested 72 per million residents and new infection curve is rapidly trending upward (now agreed by all, including current administration)
- S Korea has tested 5400 per million residents and new infection curve is declining

[Shoeless Moe]

President Trump donated his salary toward the Virus......meanwhile the Democratic Party just spent $6 Million dollars on Ads against Trump.

Had they spent that $6 million to aid in the Virus fight, using that toward masks or supplies for hospitals, they get mine and a lot more people's respect, and votes.

Blowing that much on Ads in a time of crisis, just mind-blowing.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by itjclarke

No opinions her, just numbers for people to consider when gauging our federal response.

January 20-
- US reports first cases
- S Korea reports first cases

March 12
- US has tested 10,058
- S Korea has tested 234,998

March 17
- US has tested 72 per million residents and new infection curve is rapidly trending upward (now agreed by all, including current administration)
- S Korea has tested 5400 per million residents and new infection curve is declining

lets see if we can trade a first round pick to south korea for their leader.....maybe they will throw in a 5th rounder...

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Best advice my stepfather ever gave me, ‘Opinions are like a**holes, everybody has one.’

And my father added

"And most of them stink"

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

And my father added

"And most of them stink"

Haha, and so did my dad, and Sgt O’Neill from Platoon, and every football coach I (or probably everyone else) ever had.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

And my father added

"And most of them stink"

I have always heard "and they all smell different".

[MULLINS5]

Originally Posted by gawaintheknight

This won't be a popular attitude here, but Hillary would absolutely have been, if not great (I don't know what that would mean in this context), a lot better.

You are 100% correct. Hillary would have handled this pandemic a lot better than Trump has because Republicans would have supported her as President, whereas democrats will not support Trump.

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by MULLINS5

You are 100% correct. Hillary would have handled this pandemic a lot better than Trump has because Republicans would have supported her as President, whereas democrats will not support Trump.

That assertion is, to put it as diplomatically as I can, ahistorical. Compare and contrast the voting history on the 2009 Great Recession stimulus with that of the contemporary COVID-19 stimulus.

Someone already did.

[gawaintheknight]

Nice try, but I'm old enough to remember the Obama administration and that's not how it went at all. I'm also old enough to remember the 2016 election when Republicans were talking about impeaching her the day after she was sworn in.

Ted

Originally Posted by MULLINS5

You are 100% correct. Hillary would have handled this pandemic a lot better than Trump has because Republicans would have supported her as President, whereas democrats will not support Trump.

[nolemmings]

"This is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic," Trump said at a press conference with his coronavirus task force. "All you had to do was look at other countries."

OK, then why did you hold rallies on January 9, 14, 28 and 30; February 10, 19, 20, 21 and 28? Nine rallies in 50 days, for a "candidate" who is unopposed. Nine separate dates and places you gathered 10,000 or whatever people standing shoulder to shoulder at a time when you now admit a highly contagious disease was on its way, and as of January 20, was confirmed to be here. Spouting how the democrats and media were blowing it out of proportion to make you look bad--and now you tell us 200,000 could very well die, maybe more. Telling governors that you're not a shipping clerk,and letting them bid against each other, other countries and even FEMA for supplies--that great old free market system on display.

The Divided States of America--led by the greatest patriot to ever take a breath, and who surely can do no wrong--just ask him.

[MULLINS5]

Originally Posted by gawaintheknight

Nice try, but I'm old enough to remember the Obama administration and that's not how it went at all. I'm also old enough to remember the 2016 election when Republicans were talking about impeaching her the day after she was sworn in.

Ted

I hope you are old enough to remember eleven years ago.

[drcy]

Putting aside moral debate, for the economy's sake itself you have to fix the coronas problem before the economy will rebound. If people are dying and scared to go to work and go the store, co-workers are getting the disease, the medical system is overloaded with patients, the economy will be damaged and sick even if everyone is allowed to go to work and mingle in society.

Thus, I think the "Let everyone go back to work and social life to save the economy" is an incorrect economic argument anyway.