Anybody around the country seeing sports shows being cancelled because of Corona

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

When the Spanish Flu arrived the first thing people noticed was that it seemed to spare children and young people. Then the virus muted and killed many millions of children and young people. Shit happens.

This is a new disease we don't have a vaccine for.

Why is it so hard from some people to just heed a warning and listen to what people who know far more about it than you ever will are saying.

My biggest pet peeve with this whole thing, which discredits the warnings, is the inconsistencies with the response. For Ohio...

School is ok to attend tomorrow, but not for the next 3 weeks starting Monday/Tuesday. Meanwhile, with parents still at work, kids are going to be congregating with babysitters in large groups, or hanging out at the mall with friends from their school district and other school districts. Seems counterproductive.

Crowds of 100+ are not ok, but airports, grocery stores, office buildings, etc., remain functional. Not to mention 100+ in Ohio isn't ok but you can have up to 500 people together in NYC, 250 people in both Seattle and San Francisco, and so on.

Sporting events are not ok, even when no fans are in attendance, but regular civilians need to still go to work.

We want solutions, but places like the Cleveland Clinic have to wait for approval from the CDC (government), which delays those solutions.

Why are there inconsistencies? Is this not as bad as the media is making it out to be? Is it as serious as it's being made out to be and our decision makers just suck? There is such a thing as overreaction, and I don't believe it to be wrong to question what's going on. Standard precautions (washing hands, not going out when sick, etc.) and common sense prevail 9 times out of 10, minimum.

[irv]

It just makes me shake my head!!


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[conor912]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

? Is it as serious as it's being made out to be and our decision makers just suck?.

Mostly, it’s this. This thing caught the entire world by surprise and no one was prepared. On top of that, The US dragged their feet in responding and is now behind the ball, scrambling and basically making up solutions as we go. The measures seem drastic, because they are, but it’s better to do too much at this point than risk not doing enough.

The inconsistencies come from no one entity taking the reigns. Some of this is based on political posturing in an election year, some is due to denial and some is due to being caught with our pants down and slow to react. Now with no one agency at the helm, states are taking it upon themselves to do what they think is best and 50 governors are going to have 50 different ideas of what that is.

[seanofjapan]

Originally Posted by conor912

Mostly, it’s this. This thing caught the entire world by surprise and no one was prepared. On top of that, The US dragged their feet in responding and is now behind the ball, scrambling and basically making up solutions as we go. The measures seem drastic, because they are, but it’s better to do too much at this point than risk not doing enough.

The inconsistencies come from no one entity taking the reigns. Some of this is based on political posturing in an election year, some is due to denial and some is due to being caught with our pants down and slow to react. Now with no one agency at the helm, states are taking it upon themselves to do what they think is best and 50 governors are going to have 50 different ideas of what that is.

I think I agree with this.

The markets around the world have tanked this week and the reason is that they expect the situation in the US to become way worse than it has in China, which is quite scary actually.

The reason is basically they don't see any effective response being formulated by the US government right now and its too late at this point to do much about that.

In China the response was kind of bungled from the start in a similar way - the leadership just tried to ignore and deny it for a while. But then they changed literally overnight from doing nothing to suddenly taking aggressive measures to contain it. And those seem to have worked, it looks like China will peak with fewer than 100,000 cases and about 4,000 deaths, which while tragic is way better than it could have been.

What has markets freaking out is that the outbreak in the US is already way past the point it was in China when it made that pivot. They only had a few hundred cases at that point and it was contained to a single region when the Central government started taking it seriously and imposing strict measures. In the US now it has already spread to almost all 50 states, and there are thousands of cases, maybe 10s of thousands given what little we know thanks to a lack of testing, and its spreading at an exponential rate.

And despite this, there still isn't really any plan for getting it under control being articulated by the Federal government. The opportunity to limit the damage to what China incurred has already been squandered and the markets recognize this. They seem to be pricing in an epidemic with numbers in the millions in the US and commensurate economic fallout.

I would not be buying stocks right now, nobody knows where the floor for this is.

[ullmandds]

Totally agree! China and italy have handled this much better than we are. No way for us to know how bad this is since we are not testing and don’t seem to be capable of testing efficiently.

Hopefully our next president will re-incorporate some measures to help safeguard against such things as this instead of dismantling them like the current regime.

Originally Posted by seanofjapan

I think I agree with this.

The markets around the world have tanked this week and the reason is that they expect the situation in the US to become way worse than it has in China, which is quite scary actually.

The reason is basically they don't see any effective response being formulated by the US government right now and its too late at this point to do much about that.

In China the response was kind of bungled from the start in a similar way - the leadership just tried to ignore and deny it for a while. But then they changed literally overnight from doing nothing to suddenly taking aggressive measures to contain it. And those seem to have worked, it looks like China will peak with fewer than 100,000 cases and about 4,000 deaths, which while tragic is way better than it could have been.

What has markets freaking out is that the outbreak in the US is already way past the point it was in China when it made that pivot. They only had a few hundred cases at that point and it was contained to a single region when the Central government started taking it seriously and imposing strict measures. In the US now it has already spread to almost all 50 states, and there are thousands of cases, maybe 10s of thousands given what little we know thanks to a lack of testing, and its spreading at an exponential rate.

And despite this, there still isn't really any plan for getting it under control being articulated by the Federal government. The opportunity to limit the damage to what China incurred has already been squandered and the markets recognize this. They seem to be pricing in an epidemic with numbers in the millions in the US and commensurate economic fallout.

I would not be buying stocks right now, nobody knows where the floor for this is.

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Totally agree! China and italy have handled this much better than we are. No way for us to know how bad this is since we are not testing and don’t seem to be capable of testing efficiently.

Hopefully our next president will re-incorporate some measures to help safeguard against such things as this instead of dismantling them like the current regime.

I wouldn't be so quick to applaud China & Italy.

First of all, China began the cover-up of this virus in December. Numbers didn't start coming out until January, and even then & now, there is plenty of skepticism when it comes to the numbers released vs. reality. I have plenty of doubts on how much that situation is actually "clearing up" and even more doubts about the origins of the virus and China's intentions.

Second of all, Italy didn't close down Chinese travel until it was too late. They have 16 million people under quarantine, and are leaving infected, dead corpses in the homes because they aren't collecting them fast enough or at all for a certain period of time. They are even considering not caring for the elderly.

[irv]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Totally agree! China and italy have handled this much better than we are. No way for us to know how bad this is since we are not testing and don’t seem to be capable of testing efficiently.

Hopefully our next president will re-incorporate some measures to help safeguard against such things as this instead of dismantling them like the current regime.

Nah, this panic/epidemic isn't politically motivated at all. LMAO

[cardsagain74]

Originally Posted by irv

Nah, this panic/epidemic isn't politically motivated at all. LMAO

Nor does it have anything to do with problematic media representation of anything. That part is a lot more disturbing than anything else.

There were eight new cases reported in China yesterday. 8. No zeros. And that was back page news at best (you had to dig up something online that a Honolulu newspaper picked up from Bloomberg news to even have much chance of finding it at all):

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/...or-first-time/

This is great news that sheds much more light on how the virus might spread (or, in this case, stop spreading). So why was it not a story from major news outlets yesterday and today? Obviously because it's not something that keeps people's eyes glued to the screen. Panic sells; subduing any of the panic doesn't.

These things are so blatant that it's hard to imagine anyone could downplay how the media spins their news (especially about the virus recently) and the negative impact that can have on society, economically and otherwise

[Phil68]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Totally agree! China and italy have handled this much better than we are. No way for us to know how bad this is since we are not testing and don’t seem to be capable of testing efficiently.

Hopefully our next president will re-incorporate some measures to help safeguard against such things as this instead of dismantling them like the current regime.

[Phil68]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Totally agree! China and italy have handled this much better than we are. No way for us to know how bad this is since we are not testing and don’t seem to be capable of testing efficiently.

Hopefully our next president will re-incorporate some measures to help safeguard against such things as this instead of dismantling them like the current regime.

I must ask...
what, exactly, was "dismantled" by the "current regime" that led to a global coronavirus outbreak? THIS has gotta be good...

Further, what was ever DONE by a previous administration to "safeguard" against such things?

Cite sources, please. Facts are always nice amidst the spew...

[earlywynnfan]

I'm dumb enough to bite: how about defunding the White House Nat Security Council Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense team, who monitored potential outbreaks worldwide? Slightly scary reading an article from 2018 stating the threat of a pandemic flu as their number 1 concern

Originally Posted by Phil68

I must ask...
what, exactly, was "dismantled" by the "current regime" that led to a global coronavirus outbreak? THIS has gotta be good...

Further, what was ever DONE by a previous administration to "safeguard" against such things?

Cite sources, please. Facts are always nice amidst the spew...

[tschock]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

I'm dumb enough to bite: how about defunding the White House Nat Security Council Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense team, who monitored potential outbreaks worldwide? Slightly scary reading an article from 2018 stating the threat of a pandemic flu as their number 1 concern

Thank you, Mayor Bloomberg. I'll provide the citation for you, in case you missed it. https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/de...avirus-claims/

[marzoumanian]

Greetings. I live in Chicago and was planning to go to the Fanatics show today out at Rosemont (by the airport).
I've been checking the website often, saw all the autograph cancellations and couldn't understand why they didn't already cancel for public safety reasons.
I just checked out the website a few minutes ago and now see that the entire weekend show HAS BEEN CANCELLED.
What did it take for Fanatics to cancel? The governor's banning of any gathering of more than 1000 people. In my opinion show operators should of acted much more quickly. So, thank you governor. Public safety should always rule.
Take care.

[ibuysportsephemera]

I was going to stay out of this because it is way to political (and in my opinion it shouldn't be). My wife is a Pharmacist so she doesn't get her news from Fox or MSNBC. The underlying problem for all of the deniers out there is that we have not been testing on a regular basis so we really don't know how many people are actually infected. 80% of us could get this virus and could be asymptomatic or have minor cold like symptoms. There is no vaccine so if 80% of the population continues to walk around spreading this we have somewhere around 60 million people at risk. Is it a plague to end the world...no, but if we are not careful and don't take appropriate measures now, it could be months before the virus is contained and the economic and life toll could be significant. Just my 2¢.


Jeff

[Goudey77]

Perfectly stated. The healthcare systems are at capacity.
On a side note the governor of Oregon has closed all K-12 schools through the end of March. Preventative measures at this point which is our only defense.

Originally Posted by ibuysportsephemera

I was going to stay out of this because it is way to political (and in my opinion it shouldn't be). My wife is a Pharmacist so she doesn't get her news from Fox or MSNBC. The underlying problem for all of the deniers out there is that we have not been testing on a regular basis so we really don't know how many people are actually infected. 80% of us could get this virus and could be asymptomatic or have minor cold like symptoms. There is no vaccine so if 80% of the population continues to walk around spreading this we have somewhere around 60 million people at risk. Is it a plague to end the world...no, but if we are not careful and don't take appropriate measures now, it could be months before the virus is contained and the economic and life toll could be significant. Just my 2¢.


Jeff

[Republicaninmass]

Awful lot of political statements overflowing out of the sewer

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Goudey77

Perfectly stated. The healthcare systems are at capacity.
On a side note the governor of Oregon has closed all K-12 schools through the end of March. Preventative measures at this point which is our only defense.

That is great but where are all these young kids going to go with both parents working? To find the good side, maybe that condo in Newport I'm looking at will be cheap.