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01-23-2020, 06:53 PM
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I don't understand the controversy about this; there isn't any.
Derek would have reacted with the same elegance whether it was 100% or 75%. He was humbled to get voted in. Overrated? No!!! How many so-called stars where never able to handle the spotlight called New York. Whatever anyone's opinion is, he is in the HOF; he possesses five WS rings (and earned them); he played the equivalent of one season in the playoffs and WS; his career average is .310; his Post-Season average is .308; 3,465 hits, etc. And he handled the media like no one else could have. Yeah, he's overrated. Please..... Last edited by thetruthisoutthere; 01-23-2020 at 07:10 PM. 
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01-23-2020, 07:06 PM
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I think what Im torqued about is I look at his accomplishments and put him in the highest class of the Hall. Rings, stats, played for 1 team, how he played the game, and how he conducted himself off the field. I know it was one lone wolf who was either political or had some hidden vandetta against him. That writer is wrong and doesnt deserve to have a voice in the balloting. Yes, Im glad he is in the Hall on first ballot. But, just is sad that the clear and obvious choice wasnt reconognized by 100 percent.
I would make same arguments for a couple other players to. But, Im done venting now.
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01-23-2020, 07:10 PM
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Some stars haven't handled NY and countless thousands of guys have done just fine there, or thrived. Silly point. Lenny Dykstra thrived in NY. And the NY media loved him. Ditto Mark Bavero and Wayne Cherbet. Nuff said.
Yes, there is no way anyone with a right mind should look at that ballot and not vote for Jeter. Yes, he is overrated. By a lot. Particularly in my home town, where I've almost had to fight Yankee fans who think Paul O'Neil was a hall of famer too because they watched him when there were 15 years old and wanted to be him because he contributed to good teams. Everything Bomber related is distorted. Yes, I'm aware last century they won a boatload of WS. And, yes, I'm sure Jeter doesn't give a flying f*ck about any of this, despite the fact that Yankee fans are falling over in the street of Manhatan and The Bronx, clutching their pearls. He was no Lou Gehrig. Quote:
Last edited by Snapolit1; 01-23-2020 at 07:12 PM.
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01-23-2020, 07:13 PM
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So why does it matter if he didn't get one more vote? He's in the HOF and had a very HOF worthy career. Very classy guy. In 10-15 years, nobody's going to remember he didn't get 100% (without doing research). People will also remember his playing career and probably his induction into Cooperstown. Who cares if it wasn't 100%?
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01-23-2020, 07:13 PM
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01-23-2020, 09:14 PM
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Jeter is lucky to have received as many votes as he did.
All advanced statistics suggest he was a defensive liability.
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01-23-2020, 10:45 PM
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I don't think anyone is arguing that Jeter should have gotten a higher % of votes than Ruth or Cobb or Mays or.....they should have been 100% also. But the argument is that no knowledgeable baseball writer today should not consider Jeter a HOFer. And don't forget that Jeter stayed clear of all the steroid controversy while many of those around him were either proven or accused of using. Including his biggest rivalry at SS in the AL - ARod and some of his teammates - Giambi. The man is 6th all time in hits and 1st on the Yankees list of games, at-bats, hits and doubles and 2nd in runs and stolen bases. And in case you are wondering, I'm a Reds fan and I don't think Jeter is the best SS to ever play. For my money, I'd take Cal (of players I've seen) and probably Honus all-time.
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01-24-2020, 07:20 AM
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Jeter had a negative defensive war. Other metrics caught on to this as well: "Since defensive runs saved (DRS) — indicates how many runs a player saved or hurt his team in the field compared to the average player at his position — became a statistic in 2003 until his retirement in 2014, Derek Jeter posted the worst rating among qualified shortstops with a staggering -152 DRS"
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01-24-2020, 08:24 AM
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dWAR is a useless stat. It gives Mattingly a negative breakdown even though he is more or less universally regarded as an all world first baseman.
How do I know Jeter was a terrible shortstop? I saw him play everyday. And whoever is trying to knock Paul O'Neill down a peg, shame on you!
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