FBI was at National

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...f-nscc-events/

"Agents have also been gathering information from those authentication and grading firms over the past several weeks."

Nice to see that "Mr. Never Get Cheated" is getting subpoenaed as well as Brent Mastro, the conservationist. it's a very good thing PSA is doing their own investigation. It's a regular riot over there.

OJ is still looking for the real killer too.

[Johnny630]

If the FBI is just going after PWCC we are doomed in this industry

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

If the FBI is just going after PWCC we are doomed in this industry

I sadly concur. It won't solve anything any more than putting Doug and Bill in jail solved anything. If he even goes to jail. The whole tree is f***ed up, not just that branch.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I sadly concur. It won't solve anything any more than putting Doug and Bill in jail solved anything. If he even goes to jail. The whole tree is f***ed up, not just that branch.

Peter sadly that’s exactly where I think we are headed with this……

[Rhotchkiss]

Go BODA!! Keep up the great work and pressure. Clearly it is having some effect. And us collectors are hugely indebted. You guys rock. Sincere thanks

[RedsFan1941]

speaking of mastro, all of his supporters will be happy to know that he hosted an outing at the white sox game Tuesday night, the night before the National kicked off.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Go BODA!! Keep up the great work and pressure. Clearly it is having some effect. And us collectors are hugely indebted. You guys rock. Sincere thanks

agreed

[Copa7]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Go BODA!! Keep up the great work and pressure. Clearly it is having some effect. And us collectors are hugely indebted. You guys rock. Sincere thanks

Absolutely grateful for the vigilance of these collectors. What a difference it was visiting PSA over near the toilets (how appropriate) with their snarky and lying faces. Then going over to the competition, who bent over backwards to accommodate my questions and actually guarantee my cards would be ready by Sunday (they were ready Saturday).

PSA insisted they would mail them if they weren't ready - which I insisted I did not want, this is why I am bringing them all the way in person. PSA demanded I know what my cards would grade and exactly what value. How the hell should I know? That is why graders are paid, right? They kept telling me it will be upcharged. Well, never, ever again until I see jail time for Someone at PSA.

BTW - anyone want to buy my PSA cards? Lol. They have great resale value, I'm told.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Copa7

Absolutely grateful for the vigilance of these collectors. What a difference it was visiting PSA over near the toilets (how appropriate) with their snarky and lying faces. Then going over to the competition, who bent over backwards to accommodate my questions and actually guarantee my cards would be ready by Sunday (they were ready Saturday).

PSA insisted they would mail them if they weren't ready - which I insisted I did not want, this is why I am bringing them all the way in person. PSA demanded I know what my cards would grade and exactly what value. How the hell should I know? That is why graders are paid, right? They kept telling me it will be upcharged. Well, never, ever again until I see jail time for Someone at PSA.

BTW - anyone want to buy my PSA cards? Lol. They have great resale value, I'm told.

I'm not selling mine. I'm just storing them & keeping all the fakes off the market.

I'll just crack my entire collection that is in the GAI plastic slabs...I mean PSA. until the next fad comes around. These cards get cracked out so many times anyway they have overdosed on crack.

[Tennis13]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

If the FBI is just going after PWCC we are doomed in this industry

Guys, the bread crumbs are easy to follow. I wrote the post about returning the card to the FBI. In addition, I was able to track down 1 of the 5 ebay guys with like literally 15 minutes of work.

If they want this to extend, the whole book is out there if you take my personal experience and multiply it by 50 people who were also scammed and presented evidence. It would take the mosaic theory and turn it into the smoking guns theory.

I for one am really curious how the guy that sold me the card shakes out. He sure was selling a lot more cards at The National than he had in years past....and his inventory is multiple 7-figures by my best guess.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Tennis13

Guys, the bread crumbs are easy to follow. I wrote the post about returning the card to the FBI. In addition, I was able to track down 1 of the 5 ebay guys with like literally 15 minutes of work.

If they want this to extend, the whole book is out there if you take my personal experience and multiply it by 50 people who were also scammed and presented evidence. It would take the mosaic theory and turn it into the smoking guns theory.

I for one am really curious how the guy that sold me the card shakes out. He sure was selling a lot more cards at The National than he had in years past....and his inventory is multiple 7-figures by my best guess.

Insiders like that are pretty secure, I would think. And remember, we should all be having fun.

[mechanicalman]

Originally Posted by Tennis13

Guys, the bread crumbs are easy to follow. I wrote the post about returning the card to the FBI. In addition, I was able to track down 1 of the 5 ebay guys with like literally 15 minutes of work.

If they want this to extend, the whole book is out there if you take my personal experience and multiply it by 50 people who were also scammed and presented evidence. It would take the mosaic theory and turn it into the smoking guns theory.

I for one am really curious how the guy that sold me the card shakes out. He sure was selling a lot more cards at The National than he had in years past....and his inventory is multiple 7-figures by my best guess.

Scott, you’re connecting dots that aren’t there. I’m sorry you bought a bad card, and I hope you get your money back quickly, but your issue is with Moser/PWCC, not the dealer you reference.

[Tennis13]

Originally Posted by mechanicalman

Scott, you’re connecting dots that aren’t there. I’m sorry you bought a bad card, and I hope you get your money back quickly, but your issue is with Moser/PWCC, not the dealer you reference.

As I said in my post, I am curious how things play out. The market and transaction data is opaque. I will leave it to the investigation to make my final determination....hence my curiosity. I make no claims of guilt or innocence, just a claim of interest in how the investigation goes.

Good luck to all.

[Brian Van Horn]

They're a regular attendee.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

They're a regular attendee.

There were 6 agents there, if I am not mistaking. I don't think they were there for coffee and donuts either.

[chalupacollects]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

They're a regular attendee.

So much so now that they don't have to pay and get rewards points...

[Peter_Spaeth]

I do hope part of the investigation will include the millions of dollars of "sales" reported by PWCC but not found the ebay market research tool, which removes unpaid transactions. I think a decision has been made not to specifically identify the names of the winning bidders associated with those transactions (though it wasn't hard to figure out some), but obviously if that information matters to the investigators it will be in the records.

[GeoPoto]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I do hope part of the investigation will include the millions of dollars of "sales" reported by PWCC but not found the ebay market research tool, which removes unpaid transactions.

If you buy from PWCC next week and take advantage of one of their options, Pay by Check, for example, eBay continues to treat the item as though it is unpaid, presumably because eBay can only "see" transactions funded through eBay/Paypal. It may be the case that eBay eventually "removes those as unpaid". Why couldn't this or a similar scenario explain the "unseemly phenomena" that you are pointing at?