Poll: response to recent PWCC revelations

[sportscardtheory]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

The card business is a dirty business and you just have to do your best.

Yet here you are sticking up for entities within the hobby who are clearly not on the up and up.

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by sportscardtheory

Yet here you are sticking up for entities within the hobby who are clearly not on the up and up.

I am not really sticking up for anyone. I realize the landscape and it is what it is.

I am simply saying I will continue to bid because they get the best stuff and I think others will too.

[Collect Equity]

So I've been thinking about this and I feel like trying to stop people from bidding is a losing battle because there is always a buyer/flipper/shiller who will prop the prices up.

So where you need to stop it is at the consignment level. I think most people like me who won't stop bidding because we don't want to miss a card we've been hunting for years, would be willing to not consign.

So let's start a petition and collect signatures of people who vow not to consign with PWCC. Something like:

We the undersigners will not consign with PWCC until Brent Huigens allows an independent 3rd party auditing company hired by a GoFundMe campaign to audit his full records of:
a) all payments to / from Gary Moser,
b) all consignments from Gary Moser,
c) all email interaction to / from Gary Moser,
d) all text messages to / from Gary Moser
e) all shipping records to / from Gary Moser.
f) all PWCC ebay accounts
g) all PWCC submitted cards for grading (PSA, BGS, SGC)
h) all communication with other dealers / collectors related to Gary Moser cards

This 3rd party will then state their opinion of:
1) Did PWCC know that Moser washed cards
2) Did PWCC know that Moser trimmed / colored cards
3) Was PWCC giving Moser hints about which cards to buy based upon their opinion of which would be cleaned easier
4) Was PWCC giving Moser cards special treatment with High-End labels
5) Was PWCC influencing bidders to bid on Moser treated cards
6) Did PWCC receive extra kick-backs or pay out Moser cards different than other sellers
7) Did PWCC knowingly shill bid or allow shill bidding on Moser cards
8) Did PWCC submit cards to PSA on behalf of Moser
9) Did PWCC send cards to Moser for cleaning
10) Was there any other unethical behavior in PWCC and Moser's relationship
11) Did PWCC shill bid their own auctions
12) Did PWCC sell their own cards

Until we get an answer on this, we the undersigners commit to not consign with PWCC:
Name or Alias, Ebay ID, Net54 ID, Blowout ID, PSA Registry ID, Collectors Universe ID, etc.
[We will collect any given of the above info]


If we as a community seek to get every member of Net54, Blowout, PSA Registry, Collectors Universe, etc. to sign up, it might put pressure on Brent to allow a 3rd party audit.

Maybe we could even start a GoFundMe and advertise the boycott on Net54 and other sites where PWCC has banners

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by Collect Equity

So I've been thinking about this and I feel like trying to stop people from bidding is a losing battle because there is always a buyer/flipper/shiller who will prop the prices up.

So where you need to stop it is at the consignment level. I think most people like me who won't stop bidding because we don't want to miss a card we've been hunting for years, would be willing to not consign.

So let's start a petition and collect signatures of people who vow not to consign with PWCC. Something like:

We the undersigners will not consign with PWCC until Brent Huigens allows an independent 3rd party auditing company hired by a GoFundMe campaign to audit his full records of:
a) all payments to / from Gary Moser,
b) all consignments from Gary Moser,
c) all email interaction to / from Gary Moser,
d) all text messages to / from Gary Moser
e) all shipping records to / from Gary Moser.
f) all PWCC ebay accounts
g) all PWCC submitted cards for grading (PSA, BGS, SGC)
h) all communication with other dealers / collectors related to Gary Moser cards

This 3rd party will then state their opinion of:
1) Did PWCC know that Moser washed cards
2) Did PWCC know that Moser trimmed / colored cards
3) Was PWCC giving Moser hints about which cards to buy based upon their opinion of which would be cleaned easier
4) Was PWCC giving Moser cards special treatment with High-End labels
5) Was PWCC influencing bidders to bid on Moser treated cards
6) Did PWCC receive extra kick-backs or pay out Moser cards different than other sellers
7) Did PWCC knowingly shill bid or allow shill bidding on Moser cards
8) Did PWCC submit cards to PSA on behalf of Moser
9) Did PWCC send cards to Moser for cleaning
10) Was there any other unethical behavior in PWCC and Moser's relationship
11) Did PWCC shill bid their own auctions
12) Did PWCC sell their own cards

Until we get an answer on this, we the undersigners commit to not consign with PWCC:
Name or Alias, Ebay ID, Net54 ID, Blowout ID, PSA Registry ID, Collectors Universe ID, etc.
[We will collect any given of the above info]


If we as a community seek to get every member of Net54, Blowout, PSA Registry, Collectors Universe, etc. to sign up, it might put pressure on Brent to allow a 3rd party audit.

Maybe we could even start a GoFundMe and advertise the boycott on Net54 and other sites where PWCC has banners

Its a lot easier than that for me. I will not ever bid again with PWCC. Since I have never consigned, nor will I, that part is easy. About a week ago, PWCC had some cards that had been on my want list for years, but I just wasn't going to do that. After I made that decision, I slept well that night and did not worry at all about not winning the cards. Those cards are now someone else's problem.

If others feel differently, that's their call, but for me, stuff doesn't and shouldn't trump everything. I want to have some level of respect for the seller if I'm going to shell out a bunch of money for a card, or at least not detest their ethics, and I also want to have some degree of confidence that the card I am purchasing is actually what it purports to be. With PWCC, I no longer have either. I can wait. If I have to wait for a while, I can live with that. What I can't live with is buying from someone who I am now convinced is not on the up and up. So I'm done. Life's too short for that BS.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

Its a lot easier than that for me. I will not ever bid again with PWCC. Since I have never consigned, nor will I, that part is easy. About a week ago, PWCC had some cards that had been on my want list for years, but I just wasn't going to do that. After I made that decision, I slept well that night and did not worry at all about not winning the cards. Those cards are now someone else's problem.

If others feel differently, that's their call, but for me, stuff doesn't and shouldn't trump everything. I want to have some level of respect for the seller if I'm going to shell out a bunch of money for a card, or at least not detest their ethics, and I also want to have some degree of confidence that the card I am purchasing is actually what it purports to be. With PWCC, I no longer have either. I can wait. If I have to wait for a while, I can live with that. What I can't live with is buying from someone who I am now convinced is not on the up and up. So I'm done. Life's too short for that BS.

This. Because of my pre-existing level of distrust I had not been buying anything I viewed as significant, but after the latest revelations, confirming I was lied to a couple of years ago, that's it. I'm done and like Kenny I don't really care what it is. I'm not going holier than thou, I'm not judging anyone who has a different perspective, just stating mine.

[Bram99]

They say the safest time to fly is after an air disaster, because companies will be more vigilant the day after than the day before. So could it be that Brent will be less likely to continue to put fraudulent cards up for action now than he was before BO members uncovered this situation?

Maybe buying from PWCC is safer now than it has been in years...

For the record though, I am furious about PWCC, PSA, and anyone who participated in the fraud / incompetance involved in this card doctoring scandal.

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

This. Because of my pre-existing level of distrust I had not been buying anything I viewed as significant, but after the latest revelations, confirming I was lied to a couple of years ago, that's it. I'm done and like Kenny I don't really care what it is. I'm not going holier than thou, I'm not judging anyone who has a different perspective, just stating mine.

This sums up my outlook as well. Were it not for Net54 and the knowledge I have gained here, I probably would have bought several cards from PWCC and been subjected to shilling and no telling what else. Thanks to those of you who helped spread the word back a couple of years ago. I listened. Stuff does not trump all for me. I enjoy baseball, baseball cards, and history. However, I decided long ago to be selective regarding what I purchased and from whom I purchased it. And as much as I enjoy all of this, I won't let it be my only, all-consuming hobby because if I did, it would likely lead to bad decisions and lapses of judgment on my part. In situations such as these, a person has to be really honest with himself. Thanks, guys.

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