T206 Reference / Reflections.....Tuesday Nite Trivia

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Ted, as far as I know these Tolstoi's on your list are unconfirmed

Bliss
Casey
Knight (portrait
Knight (bat)
Merritt
O'neil
Pfeister (seated)

the following missing from your list are confirmed

Beckley
Donovan (throwing)
Knabe
Street (portrait)
Sweeney, Bill

I also think Bender (with trees) might be an error on the confirmed lists
but I'm not sure. There is only one in the PSA pop reports and none
in the SGC reports. I've never seen one and I think it might be a label or data entry
error on a no trees PSA example.

Hi Pat

1st....the ones you pointed out which I omitted.....
If you check-out my recent thread (shown below), you will see that I did list 3 of the subjects as confirmed TOLSTOI cards.
I was combining data from several TOLSTOI lists in my records, and I inadvertently left out part of one. My bad !

Excerpt from my "Interesting NO-PRINT group of T206 Carolina Brights - EPDG - Old Mill - Polar Bear" thread...…..

Originally Posted by tedzan

A Net54 reader asked me if any of the above 42 subjects are found with the TOLSTOI back. Of the 42 subjects,
these 30 were printed with the TOLSTOI back....and, some of them are difficult to find with TOLSTOI....

Byrne
Charles
Cross
Donovan (throwing)
Doolan (fielding)
Downs
Fletcher
Hoffman (St Louis AL)
Howell (portrait)
Huggins (portrait)
Huggins (hands at mouth)
Hunter
Killian (portrait)
Knabe
Lennox
Marquard (portrait)
McBride
McElveen
McIntyre (Detroit)
Mitchell (Cincinnati)

Mitchell (Toronto)
Mowery
Myers (bat)
Paskert
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Rossman
Schmidt (portrait)
Starr
Street (portrait)
Summers

TED Z

2nd....regarding:

Bliss
Casey
Knight (portrait
Knight (bat)
Merritt
O'Neil
Pfeister (seated)

I will double-check the data on my lists of TOLSTOI cards to see why I included any, or all 7 of these as "confirmed" TOLSTOI cards.


3rd....Regarding the Bender (trees) with TOLSTOI, I vaguely recall having seen one many years ago. I checked the pop reports (and
like you said) I noticed PSA lists one graded. So I figured my recollection was valid.

Thanks for your inputs.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi Pat

1st....the ones you pointed out which I omitted.....
If you check-out my recent thread (shown below), you will see that I did list 3 of the subjects as confirmed TOLSTOI cards.
I was combining data from several TOLSTOI lists in my records, and I inadvertently left out part of one. My bad !

Excerpt from my "Interesting NO-PRINT group of T206 Carolina Brights - EPDG - Old Mill - Polar Bear" thread...…..




2nd....regarding:

Bliss
Casey
Knight (portrait
Knight (bat)
Merritt
O'Neil
Pfeister (seated)

I will double-check the data on my lists of TOLSTOI cards to see why I included any, or all 7 of these as "confirmed" TOLSTOI cards.


3rd....Regarding the Bender (trees) with TOLSTOI, I vaguely recall having seen one many years ago. I checked the pop reports (and
like you said) I noticed PSA lists one graded. So I figured my recollection was valid.

Thanks for your inputs.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Ted, I saw that most of these were on your other lists so I knew you just
forgot to put them on this list I was just pointing them out so you could
update this list.

I'm still a little skeptical about the Bender. There are a few single known
example Tolstoi's but Bender is the only HOF and we have seen other
errant confirmations due to a pop error. if you look at the other
350 only HOF pop numbers it seems odd that there isn't a recorded
sale or scan.

Combined pop #'s of the other HOF 350 only Tolstoi's

Beckley - 17
Bresnahan - 12
Collins, Eddie - 6
Collins, Jimmy - 12
Huggins (hands at mouth) - 12
Huggins (portrait) - 6
Kelley - 3
Marquard (Port) - 4 *SGC has 9 in their pop report that doesn't specify pitching or portrait.
McGinnity - 6
Speaker - 11

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi Pat

1st....the ones you pointed out which I omitted.....
If you check-out my recent thread (shown below), you will see that I did list 3 of the subjects as confirmed TOLSTOI cards.
I was combining data from several TOLSTOI lists in my records, and I inadvertently left out part of one. My bad !

Excerpt from my "Interesting NO-PRINT group of T206 Carolina Brights - EPDG - Old Mill - Polar Bear" thread...…..




2nd....regarding:

Bliss
Casey
Knight (portrait
Knight (bat)
Merritt
O'Neil
Pfeister (seated)

I will double-check the data on my lists of TOLSTOI cards to see why I included any, or all 7 of these as "confirmed" TOLSTOI cards.


3rd....Regarding the Bender (trees) with TOLSTOI, I vaguely recall having seen one many years ago. I checked the pop reports (and
like you said) I noticed PSA lists one graded. So I figured my recollection was valid.

Thanks for your inputs.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Ted Merritt is the only one I see on your previous Tolstoi checklists so the
rest must be fairly recent.

Here's another low pop Tolstoi.

Barry Tolstoi.jpg Barry Tolstoi Back.jpg

[tedzan]

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Updated TOLSTOI list...…



TOLSTOI checklist (253 subjects) confirmed. They are listed here according to their respective T206 series.

350-only Series...................144 subjects

Abstein
Anderson
Arellanes
Atz
Barbeau
Barger
Barry (A's)
Beckley
Bender (trees)
Bescher (portrait)
Blackburne
Brain
Brashear
Bresnahan (bat)
Burchell
Burns
Bush
Byrne
Campbell
Carrigan

Chappelle
Charles
Clark
Clymer
Collins (Milwaukee)
Collins (A's)
Cree
Cross
Davidson
Delehanty (Louisville)
Demmitt (New York American)
Dineen
Doolan (fielding)
Donovan (throwing)
Dorner
Downey (fielding)
Downs
Joe Doyle (NY)
Dubuc
Jack Dunn

Joe Dunn
Dygert
Easterly
Engle
Evans
Ferguson
Fiene (throwing)
Fletcher
Ganzel
Gasper
Graham (St Louis)
Gray
Grimshaw
Groom
Hartsell
Hayden
Hinchman (Toledo)
Hoblitzell
Hoffman (Providence)
Hoffman (St Louis AL)

Hofman
Howard (Chicago NL)
Howell (portrait)
Huggins (portrait)
Huggins (hands at mouth)
Hunter
Jones (Detroit)
Kelley
Killian (portrait)
Kisinger
Kleinow (New York-catching)
Knabe
Krause (portrait)
Krause (pitching)
Kroh
LaPorte
Lattimore
Lavender
Lennox
Livingstone

Lord
Maddox
Maloney
Marquard (portrait)
Mattern
McAleese
McBride
McCormick
McElveen
McGinnity
McIntyre (Detroit)
McLean
Milan
Miller (Pittsburg)
Mitchell (Cincinnati)
Mitchell (Toronto)
Moeller
Moran (Chicago NL)
Mowrey
Murray (bat)

Myers (batting)
Myers (fielding)
Nattress
Nichols (bat)
Oakes
O'Brien
Paskert
Perring
Phillippe
Purtell
Puttman
Quillen
Quinn
Randall
Rhoades (arm extended)
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Rhodes
Ritter
Rossman
Rudolph

Schmidt (portrait)
Schreck
Scott
Shannon
Sharpe
Slagle
Smith (Chicago, white cap)
Smith (Buffalo)
Snodgrass (bat)
Speaker
Starr
Stanage
Stephens
Strang
Street (portrait)
Summers
Sweeney (Boston NL)
Taylor
Thomas
Unglaub

Warhop
Willett
Wilson
Zimmerman


350/460 series...................57 subjects

Ames (hands over head)
Baker
Bender (no trees)
Berger
Bradley (bat)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Burch (fielding)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Harry Davis (A's)
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
Larry Doyle (bat)
Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Griffith (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)

Johnson (pitching)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (pitching)
Kleinow (Boston)
Konetchy (glove low)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake, St. Louis (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifeld (bat)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)
Murphy (bat)
O'Leary (hands on knees)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Reulbach (no glove)

Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (fielding)
Tinker (bat off shoulder)
Wagner (bat on right)
Doc White (Chicago-pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (throwing)
Willis (bat)
Wiltse (pitching)
CYoung (glove)


460-only Series......…..........46 subjects

Abbaticchio (blue sleeves)
Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (follow thru)
Bergen (catching)
Bescher (hands over head)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Camnitz (hands over head)
Camnitz (arm at side)
Chance (bat)
Chase (trophy)
Crandall (portrait-cap)
Devore
Duffy
Larry Doyle (portrait)
Ford
Frill
Gandil
Geyer
Herzog (Boston)
Howell (hand at waist}

Hummel
Lake, St. Louis (ball)
Latham
Marquard (pitching)
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (glove at hip)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers (portrait)
Murray (portrait)
Needham
Oldring (batting)
Overall (blue sky)
Payne
Pfeffer
Schaefer (Washington)
Schlei (portrait)
Schlei (bat)
Schulte (back view)
Seymour (portrait)
Sheckard (glove)

H. Smith (Brooklyn)
Stovall (bat)
Tannehill (Chicago)
Tinker (bat on shoulder)
Wheat
Wiltse (portrait-cap)


Six Super-Prints

Chance (yellow portrait)
Chase (blue portrait)
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Evers (Chicago-yellow sky)
Mathewson (dark cap)


This is a work in progress.....if you have a TOLSTOI card that is not listed here, please chime in.....Thanks.


TED Z
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[Ronnie73]

Here are a couple of my low population cards.

[tedzan]

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My research indicates that initial TOLSTOI print runs (circa early 1910) appear to coincide with early 1910 press runs of the 350 series. And, what is evident (based on pop
report data) is that they many of these cards were short-printed relative to subsequent T206 series (350/460 series and 460-only series) TOLSTOI print runs.

For example......this simulated arrangement of the 48 subjects in the 1910 COUPON set were also printed with TOLSTOI backs. Approx. 67 % of these guys are quite tough
to find with TOLSTOI backs. Becker & Marshall have yet to be confirmed with a TOLSTOI back. But then, it is only recently that Joe Dunn, Claude Rossman, and Ira Thomas
have been found with TOLSTOI backs. So, I expect that Becker and Marshall will be eventually found with TOLSTOI backs.


1910 COUPON (T213-1) Major League (48) subjects






Circa early 1910 TOLSTOI group

Becker *
Bender (trees)
Byrne
Campbell
Chance (yellow portrait) **
Charles
Chase (blue portrait) **
Chase (dark cap) **
Cobb (red portrait) **
Cree
Donovan (throwing)
Doolan (fielding)
Dubuc
Joe Dunn (Brooklyn)
Engle
Evers (Chicago-yellow sky) **
Fletcher
Hartsel
Hoffman (St Louis AL)
Howell (portrait)

Huggins (portrait)
Huggins (hands at mouth)
Hunter
Killian (portrait)
Knabe
LaPorte
Lennox
Marquard (portrait)
Marshall *
Mathewson (bark cap) **
McBride
McElveen
McIntyre (Detroit)
Mitchell (Cincinnati)
Mowrey
Myers (batting)
Myers (fielding)
Paskert
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Rossman

Schmidt (portrait)
Starr
Street (portrait)
Summers
Sweeney (Boston NL)
Thomas
Willett
Wilson


* denotes not yet confirmed with TOLSTOI back.

** denotes super-print which has a considerably higher TOLSTOI population, since these subjects were also included in the 350/460 series print runs.


TED Z
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[Pat R]

My research indicates that initial TOLSTOI print runs (circa early 1910) appear to coincide with early 1910 press runs of the 350 series. And, what is evident (based on pop
report data) is that they many of these cards were short-printed relative to subsequent T206 series (350/460 series and 460-only series) TOLSTOI print runs.

For example......this simulated arrangement of the 48 subjects in the 1910 COUPON set were also printed with TOLSTOI backs. Approx. 67 % of these guys are quite tough
to find with TOLSTOI backs. Becker & Marshall have yet to be confirmed with a TOLSTOI back. But then, it is only recently that Joe Dunn, Claude Rossman, and Ira Thomas have been found with TOLSTOI backs. So, I expect that Becker and Marshall will be eventually found with TOLSTOI backs.

TED Z
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I confirmed these along with Fiene throwing on t206resource in the past 1+ years when I found scans of them while doing research on the scarcity of the 350 only subjects with Tolstoi backs all of them sold at different times.

The Dunn came up for sale on ebay in March 2018 Fiene sold on ebay in July 2015 Rossman in June 2015 and the Thomas sold on ebay in May 2011.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Pat R

I confirmed these along with Fiene throwing on t206resource in the past 1+ years when I found scans of them while doing research on the scarcity of the 350 only subjects with Tolstoi backs all of them sold at different times.

The Dunn came up for sale on ebay in March 2018 Fiene sold on ebay in July 2015 Rossman in June 2015 and the Thomas sold on ebay in May 2011.

Pat

I figured it may be you that found these 4 subjects with TOLSTOI backs this past year. But, I wasn't certain. Great research, guy.


TED Z
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[GoCalBears]

wanted to chime in that i just came across this thread and your research about tolstois and yall are AWESOME. i started collecting tolstois only about 6-8 months ago (have around 35 or so graded so far) and have been looking for more and more info. great data and great work gentlemen!

[DeanH3]

Figured we needed a Tolstoi Matty posted. Always wondered why they made Tolstoi and Piedmont so similar in design.