The recent rash of bad grade threads ......

[Throttlesteer]

Yes, now people are judging the serial number and generation of the holder to determine how strong a card is. That is, unless they just judge the card on its own. Reholdering throws some off.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Throttlesteer

Yes, now people are judging the serial number and generation of the holder to determine how strong a card is. That is, unless they just judge the card on its own. Reholdering throws some off.

Remember folks, buy the serial number, not the card. Keep the serial number and send the card to me.

Brian

[barrysloate]

It seems to me that old timers who started collecting before the advent of third party grading are less likely to accept it, while newer collectors who see pretty much all cards, coins, etc. in slabs assume that it is the only way to go. There are exceptions, but it's kind of an old school/new school battle.

[ClementeFanOh]

Hi folks- The comic book industry faces this same issue all the time. CGC, the primary 3rd party grader for comics, is notorious for head scratching grades that do not reflect the accurate evaluation of the book. The problem is that many of their graders are half the age of the true experts who either own nice collections, or have been grading for decades and own brick and mortar stores. (Think PSA for cards. They get the highest hammer prices at auction yet are hopelessly, hilariously inconsistent with grading). Many comic buyers actually prefer a loose book they can sift through, a vast difference with cards.

[silvor]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

Many comic buyers actually prefer a loose book they can sift through, a vast difference with cards.

Well, you can enjoy a card the same if it were in a PSA holder or if raw. A comic on the other hand, no.

[sb1]

Coins, especially copper large cent and small cents are judged by the 3rd parties based solely on their degree of wear in most instances, unless they have been cleaned which will result in a different holder or label. The advanced collectors also judge them on surfaces as well, be it nice chocolate brown, dark, corroded(scudzy), have scratches or other man made marks, so in effect they net grade the coin from it's degree of wear to reflect it's other flaws. An XF coin maybe net graded to VF 20, or a Fine, net graded to VG8, due to various maladies.

This does not happen so much in silver/gold issues as they don't tend to have some of these issues with the base metal.

To equate it to cards would be the typical qualifiers MC or OC or ST where a card appears Exmt or Nrmt etc but has one of the problems noted and the result is a card with a value of approximately 2 grade levels lower.

[barrysloate]

As Scott noted, copper coins have problems that silver and gold coins do not. A copper coin with porosity, for example, may get a third party grade of "Very Fine Details", which excludes any number designation. A veteran copper collector may instead grade it "Very Fine 20 net Fine 12", deducting 8 points for the corroded surfaces. It does make things confusing having two separate grading systems.

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Have to disagree with this. You can't smell the old cardboard through the plastic. It is also impossible to handle and touch the actual card when it is in a slab. When starting to collect a new set, some collectors purposely buy ungraded cards to get familiar with them. I am not anti-grading. I have graded and ungraded cards in my collection.

Originally Posted by silvor

Well, you can enjoy a card the same if it were in a PSA holder or if raw. A comic on the other hand, no.

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[CobbSpikedMe]

Originally Posted by vintagebaseballcardguy

Have to disagree with this. You can't smell the old cardboard through the plastic. It is also impossible to handle and touch the actual card when it is in a slab. When starting to collect a new set, some collectors purposely buy ungraded cards to get familiar with them. I am not anti-grading. I have graded and ungraded cards in my collection.

Agree with Robert here. It's important to get to know the cards when you first get into them. You lose some of that once they are slabbed. I also have graded and raw cards in my collection.

[Leon]

Very much agree with this statement. I purposely handle raw cards (especially scarce ones) more than I used to just because I want to know them better. There is no substitute for handling raw cards for experience.

Originally Posted by CobbSpikedMe

Agree with Robert here. It's important to get to know the cards when you first get into them. You lose some of that once they are slabbed. I also have graded and raw cards in my collection.

[Bigshot69]

Comics are similar. CGC is very consistent for the most part but if you look hard enough you will find an outlier here and there.