The new SGC is almost here!

[deadballpaul]

One thing I would like, is for SGC not put "hand cut" on all W cards. Not all W cards are hand cut strip cards.

[TheRocket9]

I hope they are not just changing the label alone. I hope they introduce a new holder as well. Just changing the label doesn't do anything. They have done this several times already.

[Johnny630]

Will PSA continue to sell for a premium to SGC ? Or will these new changes help their product sell on par with PSA.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Will PSA continue to sell for a premium to SGC ? Or will these new changes help their product sell on par with PSA.

My guess is if PSA even remotely saw SGC as a threat, they would have just bought them by now.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by conor912

My guess is if PSA even remotely saw SGC as a threat, they would have just bought them by now.

And my guess is PSA thinks competition is good. I doubt they would buy SGC regardless of the situation. But who knows? I know I need to send in another submission to SGC soon to keep my 18 yrs streak going. The only grader for me is SGC.....My one submission to PSA sucked and I doubt I go back to them to submit. I will still have cards in their holders but SGC gets my business for being the most accurate (not perfect) graders. BVG is a close second for me. If Beckett did a better job marketing their vintage they might get the prices they deserve. Until then SGC is my main choice. It sounds like the old flips are staying for now, which is a good thing for many. For me, flips aren't that important.

[kmac32]

Submission back today. Old label as is tradition. All good!

[Throttlesteer]

Originally Posted by Leon

And my guess is PSA thinks competition is good. I doubt they would buy SGC regardless of the situation. But who knows? I know I need to send in another submission to SGC soon to keep my 18 yrs streak going. The only grader for me is SGC.....My one submission to PSA sucked and I doubt I go back to them to submit. I will still have cards in their holders but SGC gets my business for being the most accurate (not perfect) graders. BVG is a close second for me. If Beckett did a better job marketing their vintage they might get the prices they deserve. Until then SGC is my main choice. It sounds like the old flips are staying for now, which is a good thing for many. For me, flips aren't that important.

Interesting, coming from you Leon. I have always written off vintage BVG stuff because I've heard so many concerns about grading trimmed cards or overgrading in general. I may rethink my position. I've always thought SGC is more consistent, even though PSA commands an obvious premium. For whatever reason, PSA has tightened up their grades significantly. In many cases, older flips would grade at least a full point lower than even 5 years ago.

[TheRocket9]

Well I guess it's official.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Will PSA continue to sell for a premium to SGC ? Or will these new changes help their product sell on par with PSA.

Really? Holy cow....PSA will always command a premium over SGC...Prewar cards like T206s, not even close....

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Really? Holy cow....PSA will always command a premium over SGC...Prewar cards like T206s, not even close....

Seems like they demand a premium in all their cards. People are addicted to their registry and pop report.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I see the certs no longer have the dash and three numbers after what used to be the submission number, representing the cards within the submission. Is there somewhere they explain the change in cert. numbers?

[Anish]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I see the certs no longer have the dash and three numbers after what used to be the submission number, representing the cards within the submission. Is there somewhere they explain the change in cert. numbers?

Yeah, they said they randomized them for greater privacy.

[sb1]

The sequential cert and submission numbers made it very easy to ID bad card batches, you no longer have that tool to weed out some problematic cards.

[RedsFan1941]

Originally Posted by sb1

The sequential cert and submission numbers made it very easy to ID bad card batches, you no longer have that tool to weed out some problematic cards.

excellent point

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Anish

Yeah, they said they randomized them for greater privacy.

I think the question is how they're going to square it with the current listing, both in the registry and pop report.
1) If they do a straight reholder, will the new flip have a new cert number?
2) Will it if they do a review submission where the card is being regraded?
3) Can both number types live together in harmony in their database?

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I see the certs no longer have the dash and three numbers after what used to be the submission number, representing the cards within the submission. Is there somewhere they explain the change in cert. numbers?

PSA style obfuscation?

Nothing like making your business stand out by combining the worst features of your competitors.

[Republicaninmass]

Between this random number generator

Refusing to honor old label grades


Sudden attention to centering


The sweet embrace if death wont be long now. Since psa has failed any star cards and vintage signed cards, and SGC has added Phil Marks, I'll continue to send them signed cards, but that where it ends for me. On a recent sub they told me a psa 7 o/c equates to an SGC 2! The only saving grace from SGC was an accurate grade where anyone can judge centering, now that is out the window.

[Jdoggs]

Anyone have more pics of mantle 52 topps sgc 9 or t206 Wagner sgc 4?

[CW]

My camera phone is not the best, and the cards were behind glass with bright LED lighting which screwed up the colors, but I had to snap some shots of these cards.

[Jdoggs]

Originally Posted by CW

My camera phone is not the best, and the cards were behind glass with bright LED lighting which screwed up the colors, but I had to snap some shots of these cards.

Beautiful pics thank you!